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Dr. Medulla wrote:
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Was always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad
I will never not laugh at this.
recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
A solid way to unmask a liberal posing as a leftist. In academia, whenever the topic of tackling systemic racism comes up, liberals are cool with hiring a couple scholars of colour, but the idea of actually ceding some power over discourse and curriculum sends them howling about "going too far." The pie shouldn't be recut, it should just be grown and the new guy can have some of that!
Different field but i think i got a similar vibe earlier when reading about Naomi Osaka and a lot of the criticism she gets. A big part of that seems to me to be resentment at the fact she's not simply happy to enjoy her wealth and fame and keep her mouth shut but has the temerity to use it as a platform for causes she believes in. And they must make her pay for that. Ok, it's mostly right wing grifting, but i definitely sense some liberal unease with her stance too.

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Marky Dread wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:03pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 3:34pm
Was always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
I doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.
I'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.

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Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:34pm
Marky Dread wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:03pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 3:34pm
Was always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
I doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.
I'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.
"I never doubted myself for a minute for I knew that my monkey-strong bowels were girded with strength, like the loins of a dragon ribboned with fat and the opulence of buffalo dung." - Richard Nixon, Checkers Speech, abandoned early draft

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Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:34pm
Marky Dread wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:03pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 3:34pm
Was always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
I doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.
I'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.
Well the alternative to Corbyn would've been Theresa May. Maybe she was happier on Mondays. ;)
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:41pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:34pm
Marky Dread wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:03pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 3:34pm
Was always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
I doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.
I'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.
Relatedly, a recent Macca bio (Sounes, I think) mentioned that he has a chunk of relations on something they call the McCartney Pension, which I found endearing. Something like £50k a year!

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Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:32pm
Different field but i think i got a similar vibe earlier when reading about Naomi Osaka and a lot of the criticism she gets. A big part of that seems to me to be resentment at the fact she's not simply happy to enjoy her wealth and fame and keep her mouth shut but has the temerity to use it as a platform for causes she believes in. And they must make her pay for that. Ok, it's mostly right wing grifting, but i definitely sense some liberal unease with her stance too.
I recently finished up writing a lecture on, in part, Curt Flood and his challenge to baseball's reserve system in 1970—if you're unfamiliar, prior to 1975, once a player signed with a team, that team maintained exclusive negotiating power unless it traded or released the player—and one comment he made to the press was that he was a well-paid slave. Supporters emphasized the noun, while critics emphasized the adjective. To them, a guy making an absurd amount of money had no business complaining that he wasn't able to control his own labour like, well, everyone else in society. Some shit is way more important than money, especially the sense of your own autonomy.
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Inder wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:46pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:41pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:34pm
Marky Dread wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:03pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 3:34pm
Was always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
I doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.
I'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.
Relatedly, a recent Macca bio (Sounes, I think) mentioned that he has a chunk of relations on something they call the McCartney Pension, which I found endearing. Something like £50k a year!
Funded entirely (and then some) by that wretched "Wonderful Christmastime." But good on Paul all the same.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:41pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:34pm
Marky Dread wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:03pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 3:34pm
Was always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
I doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.
I'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.
When it came to the line "if you think 5 per cent is too small", i couldn't resist a small chuckle. Because 5% on high earners was what corbyns labour proposed - can imagine how much of that Shaun would recoup from his, I'm speculating, extensive use of nhs services - only i imagine Shaun got it mixed up with the song and took it corbyn was going to take the "nineteen".

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Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:59pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:41pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:34pm
Marky Dread wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:03pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 3:34pm
Was always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
I doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.
I'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.
When it came to the line "if you think 5 per cent is too small", i couldn't resist a small chuckle. Because 5% on high earners was what corbyns labour proposed - can imagine how much of that Shaun would recoup from his, I'm speculating, extensive use of nhs services - only i imagine Shaun got it mixed up with the song and took it corbyn was going to take the "nineteen".
In the US, from the 30s to early 60s, the rate for the top bracket ($100K, I think) was 90%. JFK got that cut to 70%. People on the right often fetishize the 50s because (in part) of the wider prosperity, but a lot of it was funded by a serious downward transfer of wealth.
"I never doubted myself for a minute for I knew that my monkey-strong bowels were girded with strength, like the loins of a dragon ribboned with fat and the opulence of buffalo dung." - Richard Nixon, Checkers Speech, abandoned early draft

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:47pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:32pm
Different field but i think i got a similar vibe earlier when reading about Naomi Osaka and a lot of the criticism she gets. A big part of that seems to me to be resentment at the fact she's not simply happy to enjoy her wealth and fame and keep her mouth shut but has the temerity to use it as a platform for causes she believes in. And they must make her pay for that. Ok, it's mostly right wing grifting, but i definitely sense some liberal unease with her stance too.
I recently finished up writing a lecture on, in part, Curt Flood and his challenge to baseball's reserve system in 1970—if you're unfamiliar, prior to 1975, once a player signed with a team, that team maintained exclusive negotiating power unless it traded or released the player—and one comment he made to the press was that he was a well-paid slave. Supporters emphasized the noun, while critics emphasized the adjective. To them, a guy making an absurd amount of money had no business complaining that he wasn't able to control his own labour like, well, everyone else in society. Some shit is way more important than money, especially the sense of your own autonomy.
Very interesting. Football had an almost like for like development through a Belgian guy called Jean Marc Bosman, for whom the "Bosman rule" is named. The very same dynamic. It is argued now that the power balance has swung too far, but back then the way players was treated was absolutely shameful.

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:47pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:32pm
Different field but i think i got a similar vibe earlier when reading about Naomi Osaka and a lot of the criticism she gets. A big part of that seems to me to be resentment at the fact she's not simply happy to enjoy her wealth and fame and keep her mouth shut but has the temerity to use it as a platform for causes she believes in. And they must make her pay for that. Ok, it's mostly right wing grifting, but i definitely sense some liberal unease with her stance too.
I recently finished up writing a lecture on, in part, Curt Flood and his challenge to baseball's reserve system in 1970—if you're unfamiliar, prior to 1975, once a player signed with a team, that team maintained exclusive negotiating power unless it traded or released the player—and one comment he made to the press was that he was a well-paid slave. Supporters emphasized the noun, while critics emphasized the adjective. To them, a guy making an absurd amount of money had no business complaining that he wasn't able to control his own labour like, well, everyone else in society. Some shit is way more important than money, especially the sense of your own autonomy.
Hello,

For those too young to recall, the Curt Flood situation was a very big deal back when baseball was the king of US sports (America's pastime!). Fans threw beer at him during games and he received multiple death threats.

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Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 5:07pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:47pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:32pm
Different field but i think i got a similar vibe earlier when reading about Naomi Osaka and a lot of the criticism she gets. A big part of that seems to me to be resentment at the fact she's not simply happy to enjoy her wealth and fame and keep her mouth shut but has the temerity to use it as a platform for causes she believes in. And they must make her pay for that. Ok, it's mostly right wing grifting, but i definitely sense some liberal unease with her stance too.
I recently finished up writing a lecture on, in part, Curt Flood and his challenge to baseball's reserve system in 1970—if you're unfamiliar, prior to 1975, once a player signed with a team, that team maintained exclusive negotiating power unless it traded or released the player—and one comment he made to the press was that he was a well-paid slave. Supporters emphasized the noun, while critics emphasized the adjective. To them, a guy making an absurd amount of money had no business complaining that he wasn't able to control his own labour like, well, everyone else in society. Some shit is way more important than money, especially the sense of your own autonomy.
Very interesting. Football had an almost like for like development through a Belgian guy called Jean Marc Bosman, for whom the "Bosman rule" is named. The very same dynamic. It is argued now that the power balance has swung too far, but back then the way players was treated was absolutely shameful.
What's (not ha ha) funny is that the athletes who wanted free agency were treated as leftist radicals, when all they wanted was to participate in the free market for their labour. It doesn't get more textbook capitalist. It was the owners who were seeking to maintain a quasi-indentured servitude. Nobody hates free market capitalism more than the obscenely wealthy.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 5:05pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:59pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:41pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:34pm
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23 Jul 2021, 4:03pm


I doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.
I'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.
When it came to the line "if you think 5 per cent is too small", i couldn't resist a small chuckle. Because 5% on high earners was what corbyns labour proposed - can imagine how much of that Shaun would recoup from his, I'm speculating, extensive use of nhs services - only i imagine Shaun got it mixed up with the song and took it corbyn was going to take the "nineteen".
In the US, from the 30s to early 60s, the rate for the top bracket ($100K, I think) was 90%. JFK got that cut to 70%. People on the right often fetishize the 50s because (in part) of the wider prosperity, but a lot of it was funded by a serious downward transfer of wealth.
The fetish among the ruling elite in the UK is for low taxes, lax regulation, leave wealth in peace and let it filter down to the masses on its own. The old trickledown bullshit. The one thing a tory leader can never do is raise income tax, a perennial pledge, so all they can do is either trick voters with other stealth taxes or else say fuck it and let essential services take the hit while managing with inexplicable success to foist the blame on other parties. It really is some con trick when you think about it.

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gkbill wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 5:12pm
Hello,

For those too young to recall, the Curt Flood situation was a very big deal back when baseball was the king of US sports (America's pastime!). Fans threw beer at him during games and he received multiple death threats.
Perhaps not surprising, he left the US for Europe for several years and became an alcoholic. He said that the only part that really hurt was the general lack of support from other players. He was throwing his career for them and few could even bother offering support, let alone agreeing to testify. Once free agency was achieved, every spring training Marvin Miller would go to each team's camp and tell the players that they owe their high incomes to Curt Flood, so by the 1980s he was finally getting his due. But Curt Flood ain't in the HoF and neither is Marvin Miller. Bowie fucking Kuhn is, tho. Appalling.
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Marky Dread wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 4:03pm
Low Down Low wrote:
23 Jul 2021, 3:34pm
Was always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
I doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.


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