Different field but i think i got a similar vibe earlier when reading about Naomi Osaka and a lot of the criticism she gets. A big part of that seems to me to be resentment at the fact she's not simply happy to enjoy her wealth and fame and keep her mouth shut but has the temerity to use it as a platform for causes she believes in. And they must make her pay for that. Ok, it's mostly right wing grifting, but i definitely sense some liberal unease with her stance too.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 3:57pmI will never not laugh at this.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 3:34pmWas always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad
A solid way to unmask a liberal posing as a leftist. In academia, whenever the topic of tackling systemic racism comes up, liberals are cool with hiring a couple scholars of colour, but the idea of actually ceding some power over discourse and curriculum sends them howling about "going too far." The pie shouldn't be recut, it should just be grown and the new guy can have some of that!recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
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I'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:03pmI doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 3:34pmWas always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
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Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:34pmI'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:03pmI doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 3:34pmWas always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
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Well the alternative to Corbyn would've been Theresa May. Maybe she was happier on Mondays.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:34pmI'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:03pmI doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 3:34pmWas always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
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Relatedly, a recent Macca bio (Sounes, I think) mentioned that he has a chunk of relations on something they call the McCartney Pension, which I found endearing. Something like £50k a year!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:41pmLow Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:34pmI'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:03pmI doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 3:34pmWas always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
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I recently finished up writing a lecture on, in part, Curt Flood and his challenge to baseball's reserve system in 1970—if you're unfamiliar, prior to 1975, once a player signed with a team, that team maintained exclusive negotiating power unless it traded or released the player—and one comment he made to the press was that he was a well-paid slave. Supporters emphasized the noun, while critics emphasized the adjective. To them, a guy making an absurd amount of money had no business complaining that he wasn't able to control his own labour like, well, everyone else in society. Some shit is way more important than money, especially the sense of your own autonomy.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:32pmDifferent field but i think i got a similar vibe earlier when reading about Naomi Osaka and a lot of the criticism she gets. A big part of that seems to me to be resentment at the fact she's not simply happy to enjoy her wealth and fame and keep her mouth shut but has the temerity to use it as a platform for causes she believes in. And they must make her pay for that. Ok, it's mostly right wing grifting, but i definitely sense some liberal unease with her stance too.
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Funded entirely (and then some) by that wretched "Wonderful Christmastime." But good on Paul all the same.Inder wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:46pmRelatedly, a recent Macca bio (Sounes, I think) mentioned that he has a chunk of relations on something they call the McCartney Pension, which I found endearing. Something like £50k a year!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:41pmLow Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:34pmI'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:03pmI doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 3:34pmWas always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
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When it came to the line "if you think 5 per cent is too small", i couldn't resist a small chuckle. Because 5% on high earners was what corbyns labour proposed - can imagine how much of that Shaun would recoup from his, I'm speculating, extensive use of nhs services - only i imagine Shaun got it mixed up with the song and took it corbyn was going to take the "nineteen".Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:41pmLow Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:34pmI'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:03pmI doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 3:34pmWas always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
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In the US, from the 30s to early 60s, the rate for the top bracket ($100K, I think) was 90%. JFK got that cut to 70%. People on the right often fetishize the 50s because (in part) of the wider prosperity, but a lot of it was funded by a serious downward transfer of wealth.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:59pmWhen it came to the line "if you think 5 per cent is too small", i couldn't resist a small chuckle. Because 5% on high earners was what corbyns labour proposed - can imagine how much of that Shaun would recoup from his, I'm speculating, extensive use of nhs services - only i imagine Shaun got it mixed up with the song and took it corbyn was going to take the "nineteen".Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:41pmLow Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:34pmI'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:03pmI doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 3:34pmWas always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."
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Very interesting. Football had an almost like for like development through a Belgian guy called Jean Marc Bosman, for whom the "Bosman rule" is named. The very same dynamic. It is argued now that the power balance has swung too far, but back then the way players was treated was absolutely shameful.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:47pmI recently finished up writing a lecture on, in part, Curt Flood and his challenge to baseball's reserve system in 1970—if you're unfamiliar, prior to 1975, once a player signed with a team, that team maintained exclusive negotiating power unless it traded or released the player—and one comment he made to the press was that he was a well-paid slave. Supporters emphasized the noun, while critics emphasized the adjective. To them, a guy making an absurd amount of money had no business complaining that he wasn't able to control his own labour like, well, everyone else in society. Some shit is way more important than money, especially the sense of your own autonomy.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:32pmDifferent field but i think i got a similar vibe earlier when reading about Naomi Osaka and a lot of the criticism she gets. A big part of that seems to me to be resentment at the fact she's not simply happy to enjoy her wealth and fame and keep her mouth shut but has the temerity to use it as a platform for causes she believes in. And they must make her pay for that. Ok, it's mostly right wing grifting, but i definitely sense some liberal unease with her stance too.
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Hello,Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:47pmI recently finished up writing a lecture on, in part, Curt Flood and his challenge to baseball's reserve system in 1970—if you're unfamiliar, prior to 1975, once a player signed with a team, that team maintained exclusive negotiating power unless it traded or released the player—and one comment he made to the press was that he was a well-paid slave. Supporters emphasized the noun, while critics emphasized the adjective. To them, a guy making an absurd amount of money had no business complaining that he wasn't able to control his own labour like, well, everyone else in society. Some shit is way more important than money, especially the sense of your own autonomy.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:32pmDifferent field but i think i got a similar vibe earlier when reading about Naomi Osaka and a lot of the criticism she gets. A big part of that seems to me to be resentment at the fact she's not simply happy to enjoy her wealth and fame and keep her mouth shut but has the temerity to use it as a platform for causes she believes in. And they must make her pay for that. Ok, it's mostly right wing grifting, but i definitely sense some liberal unease with her stance too.
For those too young to recall, the Curt Flood situation was a very big deal back when baseball was the king of US sports (America's pastime!). Fans threw beer at him during games and he received multiple death threats.
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What's (not ha ha) funny is that the athletes who wanted free agency were treated as leftist radicals, when all they wanted was to participate in the free market for their labour. It doesn't get more textbook capitalist. It was the owners who were seeking to maintain a quasi-indentured servitude. Nobody hates free market capitalism more than the obscenely wealthy.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 5:07pmVery interesting. Football had an almost like for like development through a Belgian guy called Jean Marc Bosman, for whom the "Bosman rule" is named. The very same dynamic. It is argued now that the power balance has swung too far, but back then the way players was treated was absolutely shameful.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:47pmI recently finished up writing a lecture on, in part, Curt Flood and his challenge to baseball's reserve system in 1970—if you're unfamiliar, prior to 1975, once a player signed with a team, that team maintained exclusive negotiating power unless it traded or released the player—and one comment he made to the press was that he was a well-paid slave. Supporters emphasized the noun, while critics emphasized the adjective. To them, a guy making an absurd amount of money had no business complaining that he wasn't able to control his own labour like, well, everyone else in society. Some shit is way more important than money, especially the sense of your own autonomy.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:32pmDifferent field but i think i got a similar vibe earlier when reading about Naomi Osaka and a lot of the criticism she gets. A big part of that seems to me to be resentment at the fact she's not simply happy to enjoy her wealth and fame and keep her mouth shut but has the temerity to use it as a platform for causes she believes in. And they must make her pay for that. Ok, it's mostly right wing grifting, but i definitely sense some liberal unease with her stance too.
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The fetish among the ruling elite in the UK is for low taxes, lax regulation, leave wealth in peace and let it filter down to the masses on its own. The old trickledown bullshit. The one thing a tory leader can never do is raise income tax, a perennial pledge, so all they can do is either trick voters with other stealth taxes or else say fuck it and let essential services take the hit while managing with inexplicable success to foist the blame on other parties. It really is some con trick when you think about it.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 5:05pmIn the US, from the 30s to early 60s, the rate for the top bracket ($100K, I think) was 90%. JFK got that cut to 70%. People on the right often fetishize the 50s because (in part) of the wider prosperity, but a lot of it was funded by a serious downward transfer of wealth.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:59pmWhen it came to the line "if you think 5 per cent is too small", i couldn't resist a small chuckle. Because 5% on high earners was what corbyns labour proposed - can imagine how much of that Shaun would recoup from his, I'm speculating, extensive use of nhs services - only i imagine Shaun got it mixed up with the song and took it corbyn was going to take the "nineteen".Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:41pmLow Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:34pmI'd say thats very true alright. But I also think a lot of folk who have zero interest in politics suddenly develop one when the prospect of their hard earned going for a burton hoves into view.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:03pm
I doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.
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Perhaps not surprising, he left the US for Europe for several years and became an alcoholic. He said that the only part that really hurt was the general lack of support from other players. He was throwing his career for them and few could even bother offering support, let alone agreeing to testify. Once free agency was achieved, every spring training Marvin Miller would go to each team's camp and tell the players that they owe their high incomes to Curt Flood, so by the 1980s he was finally getting his due. But Curt Flood ain't in the HoF and neither is Marvin Miller. Bowie fucking Kuhn is, tho. Appalling.
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Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 4:03pmI doubt very much that Shaun gives a flying fuck about politics one way or another. He's more interested in U.F.Os.Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 3:34pmWas always pretty much down with Shaun Ryder until I came across an interview in the Grauniad recently in which he was keen to spell out his socialist credentials but felt the need to add he could never vote for that Corbyn fella cos he'd "have taken too much of my money off me."