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Re: The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

Post by revbob » 10 Mar 2019, 7:31pm

I understand stand Doc's devil's advocate-ish stance but like 101 said vinyl was an investment. Certainly as a kid/teen/other person on limited income you were more discerning with your music purchases. Now I can download almost anything I want within 15 minutes and if I don't like it no big deal. Anything that requires no investment in terms of time/money etc is more disposable. As a kid/teen I used to have to take an hour bus ride to the record store or if I did mail order for some of the rare stuff I had to send cash and hope the guy at the other end didn't use it for beer money instead.

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Re: The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 10 Mar 2019, 7:44pm

101Walterton wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:18pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:11pm
gkbill wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 6:44pm
It was too much of a task (and I wasn't really good at it) to drop the needle into the appropriate groove. Cassettes eventually got next track/fast forward - but that was for rich kids who could afford it. 8-tracks never got that far.
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Vinyl was great because more often than not I'd listen to a complete side in the order provided and appreciate all the tracks. I never brought records to parties as they generally got all scratched to hell by drunk amateur dj's.
Just for the sake of argument, why is it superior to listen in the order that the artist places them? Is the listening experience about fealty to the artist or about what the listener wants? If I think CtC is flawless except that "Fingerpoppin'" should be the lead song and that "This Is England" be excised for being tolerable, I have every right to listen to it in that order, and so a medium that facilitates that ability is superior to one that makes it harder.
I would say that it is fine to shuffle a CD if you want however back to my original point with vinyl you bought something that you listened to as intended. Shuffling, skipping, programming tracks was the start of disposable music where you could do what you want with it.
With vinyl you invested time in it so grew to love (or not) all those album tracks over time. You don’t need to invest time in a CD.
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Re: The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

Post by 101Walterton » 10 Mar 2019, 7:49pm

revbob wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:31pm
I understand stand Doc's devil's advocate-ish stance but like 101 said vinyl was an investment. Certainly as a kid/teen/other person on limited income you were more discerning with your music purchases. Now I can download almost anything I want within 15 minutes and if I don't like it no big deal. Anything that requires no investment in terms of time/money etc is more disposable. As a kid/teen I used to have to take an hour bus ride to the record store or if I did mail order for some of the rare stuff I had to send cash and hope the guy at the other end didn't use it for beer money instead.
And how many times did you have an album in each hand (or several)unable to decide which one to go with knowing it could be a long time before you could buy another.

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Re: The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

Post by 101Walterton » 10 Mar 2019, 7:51pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:44pm
101Walterton wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:18pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:11pm
gkbill wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 6:44pm
It was too much of a task (and I wasn't really good at it) to drop the needle into the appropriate groove. Cassettes eventually got next track/fast forward - but that was for rich kids who could afford it. 8-tracks never got that far.
Ka-CHUNK!
Vinyl was great because more often than not I'd listen to a complete side in the order provided and appreciate all the tracks. I never brought records to parties as they generally got all scratched to hell by drunk amateur dj's.
Just for the sake of argument, why is it superior to listen in the order that the artist places them? Is the listening experience about fealty to the artist or about what the listener wants? If I think CtC is flawless except that "Fingerpoppin'" should be the lead song and that "This Is England" be excised for being tolerable, I have every right to listen to it in that order, and so a medium that facilitates that ability is superior to one that makes it harder.
I would say that it is fine to shuffle a CD if you want however back to my original point with vinyl you bought something that you listened to as intended. Shuffling, skipping, programming tracks was the start of disposable music where you could do what you want with it.
With vinyl you invested time in it so grew to love (or not) all those album tracks over time. You don’t need to invest time in a CD.
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I’m guilty of giving something a listen on Spotify to see what I think then discarding it I barely 1 listen.

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Re: The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 10 Mar 2019, 7:52pm

revbob wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:31pm
I understand stand Doc's devil's advocate-ish stance but like 101 said vinyl was an investment. Certainly as a kid/teen/other person on limited income you were more discerning with your music purchases. Now I can download almost anything I want within 15 minutes and if I don't like it no big deal. Anything that requires no investment in terms of time/money etc is more disposable. As a kid/teen I used to have to take an hour bus ride to the record store or if I did mail order for some of the rare stuff I had to send cash and hope the guy at the other end didn't use it for beer money instead.
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Hi, Simon! One of his arguments is that kids nowadays don't properly appreciate music because it's too easy to acquire, that the chase was a key part of the listening experience. Which, again, seems a weird argument for exclusivity, of location and financial resources, when we're talking about a commodity that is meant to be available to a mass audience.
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Re: The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 10 Mar 2019, 7:55pm

101Walterton wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:51pm
I’m guilty of giving something a listen on Spotify to see what I think then discarding it I barely 1 listen.
Maybe if you bought it and played it several times it'd grow on you. Sure, it happens. But how many albums did we buy that we played several times and realized we'd wasted $15?

I can certainly appreciate the various arguments, but my inclination is that introducing money into the equation doesn't make the music better.
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Re: The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

Post by 101Walterton » 10 Mar 2019, 8:02pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:55pm
101Walterton wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:51pm
I’m guilty of giving something a listen on Spotify to see what I think then discarding it I barely 1 listen.
Maybe if you bought it and played it several times it'd grow on you. Sure, it happens. But how many albums did we buy that we played several times and realized we'd wasted $15?

I can certainly appreciate the various arguments, but my inclination is that introducing money into the equation doesn't make the music better.
No it doesn’t but how many albums that you now love did you not like the first time you heard them or took you a while to ‘get’ them.
Sandinista springs to mind.

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Re: The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

Post by revbob » 10 Mar 2019, 8:16pm

101Walterton wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 8:02pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:55pm
101Walterton wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:51pm
I’m guilty of giving something a listen on Spotify to see what I think then discarding it I barely 1 listen.
Maybe if you bought it and played it several times it'd grow on you. Sure, it happens. But how many albums did we buy that we played several times and realized we'd wasted $15?

I can certainly appreciate the various arguments, but my inclination is that introducing money into the equation doesn't make the music better.
No it doesn’t but how many albums that you now love did you not like the first time you heard them or took you a while to ‘get’ them.
Sandinista springs to mind.
That's the other thing. You didn't give up on something so easily.

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Post by Flex » 10 Mar 2019, 8:22pm

I only listen to music on minidisc.
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Re: The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 10 Mar 2019, 8:35pm

101Walterton wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 8:02pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:55pm
101Walterton wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:51pm
I’m guilty of giving something a listen on Spotify to see what I think then discarding it I barely 1 listen.
Maybe if you bought it and played it several times it'd grow on you. Sure, it happens. But how many albums did we buy that we played several times and realized we'd wasted $15?

I can certainly appreciate the various arguments, but my inclination is that introducing money into the equation doesn't make the music better.
No it doesn’t but how many albums that you now love did you not like the first time you heard them or took you a while to ‘get’ them.
Sandinista springs to mind.
Definitely! Some of my favourite records left me confused the first time or two. But when music is easy to acquire and store—um, piracy—there's no problem holding on to it and maybe you'll “get it” later on. There's no reason not to return to it later just becaus it was easily acquired.
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Re: The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 10 Mar 2019, 8:38pm

Flex wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 8:22pm
I only listen to music on minidisc.
I remember trying to do some kind of swap with snoh way back when, and he refused to do anything but minidisc for reasons that I don't precisely recall but left me baffled at the time.
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Re: The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

Post by revbob » 10 Mar 2019, 8:52pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 8:38pm
Flex wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 8:22pm
I only listen to music on minidisc.
I remember trying to do some kind of swap with snoh way back when, and he refused to do anything but minidisc for reasons that I don't precisely recall but left me baffled at the time.
Pretty silly considering anything on a mini disc was just a copy of something else.

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Re: The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

Post by 101Walterton » 10 Mar 2019, 8:58pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 8:35pm
101Walterton wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 8:02pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:55pm
101Walterton wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 7:51pm
I’m guilty of giving something a listen on Spotify to see what I think then discarding it I barely 1 listen.
Maybe if you bought it and played it several times it'd grow on you. Sure, it happens. But how many albums did we buy that we played several times and realized we'd wasted $15?

I can certainly appreciate the various arguments, but my inclination is that introducing money into the equation doesn't make the music better.
No it doesn’t but how many albums that you now love did you not like the first time you heard them or took you a while to ‘get’ them.
Sandinista springs to mind.
Definitely! Some of my favourite records left me confused the first time or two. But when music is easy to acquire and store—um, piracy—there's no problem holding on to it and maybe you'll “get it” later on. There's no reason not to return to it later just becaus it was easily acquired.
But 'young people' don't acquire and store they listen on Spotify (or similar). I have 2 teenagers (and by default I know and talk to a lot of teenagers) who both listen to music all the time. Neither of them own a CD or record between them and only stream on Spotify. They have no music collection as such or back catalogue to listen to. They barely even have a Playlist on Spotify.

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Re: The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 10 Mar 2019, 9:00pm

revbob wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 8:52pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 8:38pm
Flex wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 8:22pm
I only listen to music on minidisc.
I remember trying to do some kind of swap with snoh way back when, and he refused to do anything but minidisc for reasons that I don't precisely recall but left me baffled at the time.
Pretty silly considering anything on a mini disc was just a copy of something else.
I wish I could remember his objections to, I think, cd-r. Being able to record over it, maybe?
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Re: The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

Post by 101Walterton » 10 Mar 2019, 9:03pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 9:00pm
revbob wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 8:52pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 8:38pm
Flex wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 8:22pm
I only listen to music on minidisc.
I remember trying to do some kind of swap with snoh way back when, and he refused to do anything but minidisc for reasons that I don't precisely recall but left me baffled at the time.
Pretty silly considering anything on a mini disc was just a copy of something else.
I wish I could remember his objections to, I think, cd-r. Being able to record over it, maybe?
All those great compilations Snoh made were on CDR.

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