The Beatles song you're thinking about right now thread

[Dr. Medulla]

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/john-le ... m-keltner/

This seems entirely expected. Within the Beatles camp, sniping was acceptable, but it was only within. To everyone else, you haven't earned the right. It also suggests a basic love that persisted despite the wounded feelings.

I think it's something to do with coming up as kids, being kind of lousy (they were considered a pretty low tier Liverpool group for awhile), slogging it out, working an insane schedule in Hamburg, getting better, building a following and then just exploding in a way that really hadn't been seen before. The bond between John and Paul in particular, I don't think it could have been as bitter as it was if there wasn't love and betrayal behind it.

John and Paul is obvious. That George had the same kind of protectiveness is more indicative of the power of Beatleness, and even tho George resisted so much of it, he couldn't deny it.

[WestwayKid]

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/john-le ... m-keltner/

This seems entirely expected. Within the Beatles camp, sniping was acceptable, but it was only within. To everyone else, you haven't earned the right. It also suggests a basic love that persisted despite the wounded feelings.

I think it's something to do with coming up as kids, being kind of lousy (they were considered a pretty low tier Liverpool group for awhile), slogging it out, working an insane schedule in Hamburg, getting better, building a following and then just exploding in a way that really hadn't been seen before. The bond between John and Paul in particular, I don't think it could have been as bitter as it was if there wasn't love and betrayal behind it.

John and Paul is obvious. That George had the same kind of protectiveness is more indicative of the power of Beatleness, and even tho George resisted so much of it, he couldn't deny it.

I've heard him describe his relationship with John and Paul as being a little brother... and that he felt betrayed by both of them towards the end.

[Dr. Medulla]

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/john-le ... m-keltner/

This seems entirely expected. Within the Beatles camp, sniping was acceptable, but it was only within. To everyone else, you haven't earned the right. It also suggests a basic love that persisted despite the wounded feelings.

I think it's something to do with coming up as kids, being kind of lousy (they were considered a pretty low tier Liverpool group for awhile), slogging it out, working an insane schedule in Hamburg, getting better, building a following and then just exploding in a way that really hadn't been seen before. The bond between John and Paul in particular, I don't think it could have been as bitter as it was if there wasn't love and betrayal behind it.

John and Paul is obvious. That George had the same kind of protectiveness is more indicative of the power of Beatleness, and even tho George resisted so much of it, he couldn't deny it.

I've heard him describe his relationship with John and Paul as being a little brother... and that he felt betrayed by both of them towards the end.

George is my favourite Beatle, but, lord, what a pain in the ass he must have been to be around. He seemed to have been a wry and decent person to those outside the band—his friendship with Eric Idle, for example—but in that circle the chip on his shoulder got bigger and heavier, even after they broke up. He seemed happiest outside the Beatles, yet cultivated a resentment towards the guys to whom he had that special bond. I do understand being a grouch, but you don't need it to be you.

[Inder]

There’s also this from Lennon’s Rolling Stone interview:

“I was always very respectful about Mick and the Stones, but he said a lot of sort of tarty things about the Beatles, which I am hurt by, because you know, I can knock the Beatles, but don’t let Mick Jagger knock them.”

“I would like to just list what we did and what the Stones did two months after on every fuckin’ album,”

[Inder]

Also, from the (great) new Macca book, John backtracking like 20 minutes after How Do You Sleep:

“John, by now, was hardly gleeful about ‘How Do You Sleep?,’ his irritation at ‘Too Many People’ having waned since he wrote and recorded his riposte.

“There’s a song which could well be a statement about Paul,” he told NME. “It could be interpreted that way. But then, it could be about an old chick I’d known . . . Or Somethin’.”4 Speaking with Sounds, he implied that it might not be about Paul at all—and then said why it might be: “A perverted mind could think” “it is about Paul. I’ll let you form your own opinion. It’s surreal enough to be about anyone, like Dylan’s ‘Like a Rolling Stone.’ Anyway, on Ram there are a lot of references to us, like in the line suggesting that George and I got a break in meeting him.”5
George, who played lead guitar on ‘How Do You Sleep?,’ tried to mend fences during the October 3 opening party for the finally completed £500,000 ($1,200,000) studios in the basement of Apple’s Savile Row offices and distanced himself from the song in the process.

“It’s a bit sad now that Apple is in the position all four of us planned three years ago. I just wish Paul would use the studio if he wants. It’s silly not to. I can’t see the four of us together again. But I’d like us at least to be friends. We all own this business and it’s doing well and I’d like all four of us to enjoy it now.” Asked about ‘How Do You Sleep?,’ he said, “It doesn’t help at all. I’m glad it wasn’t about me. I said to John as we were recording it, ‘It’s pretty hard on him[…]”

[Dr. Medulla]

Also, from the (great) new Macca book, John backtracking like 20 minutes after How Do You Sleep:

“John, by now, was hardly gleeful about ‘How Do You Sleep?,’ his irritation at ‘Too Many People’ having waned since he wrote and recorded his riposte.

“There’s a song which could well be a statement about Paul,” he told NME. “It could be interpreted that way. But then, it could be about an old chick I’d known . . . Or Somethin’.”4 Speaking with Sounds, he implied that it might not be about Paul at all—and then said why it might be: “A perverted mind could think” “it is about Paul. I’ll let you form your own opinion. It’s surreal enough to be about anyone, like Dylan’s ‘Like a Rolling Stone.’ Anyway, on Ram there are a lot of references to us, like in the line suggesting that George and I got a break in meeting him.”5
George, who played lead guitar on ‘How Do You Sleep?,’ tried to mend fences during the October 3 opening party for the finally completed £500,000 ($1,200,000) studios in the basement of Apple’s Savile Row offices and distanced himself from the song in the process.

“It’s a bit sad now that Apple is in the position all four of us planned three years ago. I just wish Paul would use the studio if he wants. It’s silly not to. I can’t see the four of us together again. But I’d like us at least to be friends. We all own this business and it’s doing well and I’d like all four of us to enjoy it now.” Asked about ‘How Do You Sleep?,’ he said, “It doesn’t help at all. I’m glad it wasn’t about me. I said to John as we were recording it, ‘It’s pretty hard on him[…]”

Huh. I wasn’t aware of both John and George being more conciliatory that soon after the split. What a mess of intense emotions.

[Kory]

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/john-le ... m-keltner/

This seems entirely expected. Within the Beatles camp, sniping was acceptable, but it was only within. To everyone else, you haven't earned the right. It also suggests a basic love that persisted despite the wounded feelings.

I think it's something to do with coming up as kids, being kind of lousy (they were considered a pretty low tier Liverpool group for awhile), slogging it out, working an insane schedule in Hamburg, getting better, building a following and then just exploding in a way that really hadn't been seen before. The bond between John and Paul in particular, I don't think it could have been as bitter as it was if there wasn't love and betrayal behind it.

John and Paul is obvious. That George had the same kind of protectiveness is more indicative of the power of Beatleness, and even tho George resisted so much of it, he couldn't deny it.

I've heard him describe his relationship with John and Paul as being a little brother... and that he felt betrayed by both of them towards the end.

George is my favourite Beatle, but, lord, what a pain in the ass he must have been to be around. He seemed to have been a wry and decent person to those outside the band—his friendship with Eric Idle, for example—but in that circle the chip on his shoulder got bigger and heavier, even after they broke up. He seemed happiest outside the Beatles, yet cultivated a resentment towards the guys to whom he had that special bond. I do understand being a grouch, but you don't need it to be you.

I thought about George a lot when I was in that last band. Totally understand his moods, having lived through a dynamic of the same variety.

[Dr. Medulla]

I think it's something to do with coming up as kids, being kind of lousy (they were considered a pretty low tier Liverpool group for awhile), slogging it out, working an insane schedule in Hamburg, getting better, building a following and then just exploding in a way that really hadn't been seen before. The bond between John and Paul in particular, I don't think it could have been as bitter as it was if there wasn't love and betrayal behind it.

John and Paul is obvious. That George had the same kind of protectiveness is more indicative of the power of Beatleness, and even tho George resisted so much of it, he couldn't deny it.

I've heard him describe his relationship with John and Paul as being a little brother... and that he felt betrayed by both of them towards the end.

George is my favourite Beatle, but, lord, what a pain in the ass he must have been to be around. He seemed to have been a wry and decent person to those outside the band—his friendship with Eric Idle, for example—but in that circle the chip on his shoulder got bigger and heavier, even after they broke up. He seemed happiest outside the Beatles, yet cultivated a resentment towards the guys to whom he had that special bond. I do understand being a grouch, but you don't need it to be you.

I thought about George a lot when I was in that last band. Totally understand his moods, having lived through a dynamic of the same variety.

I recall you saying something like that once before. A key difference, tho, is that you didn't have an underlying love for or deep bond with your bandmates. The frustration was a bit more … pure?

[tepista]

I just heard of this today

[Kory]

John and Paul is obvious. That George had the same kind of protectiveness is more indicative of the power of Beatleness, and even tho George resisted so much of it, he couldn't deny it.

I've heard him describe his relationship with John and Paul as being a little brother... and that he felt betrayed by both of them towards the end.

George is my favourite Beatle, but, lord, what a pain in the ass he must have been to be around. He seemed to have been a wry and decent person to those outside the band—his friendship with Eric Idle, for example—but in that circle the chip on his shoulder got bigger and heavier, even after they broke up. He seemed happiest outside the Beatles, yet cultivated a resentment towards the guys to whom he had that special bond. I do understand being a grouch, but you don't need it to be you.

I thought about George a lot when I was in that last band. Totally understand his moods, having lived through a dynamic of the same variety.

I recall you saying something like that once before. A key difference, tho, is that you didn't have an underlying love for or deep bond with your bandmates. The frustration was a bit more … pure?

Hatred, even?

[Dr. Medulla]

I've heard him describe his relationship with John and Paul as being a little brother... and that he felt betrayed by both of them towards the end.

George is my favourite Beatle, but, lord, what a pain in the ass he must have been to be around. He seemed to have been a wry and decent person to those outside the band—his friendship with Eric Idle, for example—but in that circle the chip on his shoulder got bigger and heavier, even after they broke up. He seemed happiest outside the Beatles, yet cultivated a resentment towards the guys to whom he had that special bond. I do understand being a grouch, but you don't need it to be you.

I thought about George a lot when I was in that last band. Totally understand his moods, having lived through a dynamic of the same variety.

I recall you saying something like that once before. A key difference, tho, is that you didn't have an underlying love for or deep bond with your bandmates. The frustration was a bit more … pure?

Hatred, even?

In the end, it was a useful experience, I hope, in clarifying all that shit you don't want to do and won't do. Shitty experiences are can be good experiences assuming you aren't legit traumatized by them.

[Kory]

George is my favourite Beatle, but, lord, what a pain in the ass he must have been to be around. He seemed to have been a wry and decent person to those outside the band—his friendship with Eric Idle, for example—but in that circle the chip on his shoulder got bigger and heavier, even after they broke up. He seemed happiest outside the Beatles, yet cultivated a resentment towards the guys to whom he had that special bond. I do understand being a grouch, but you don't need it to be you.

I thought about George a lot when I was in that last band. Totally understand his moods, having lived through a dynamic of the same variety.

I recall you saying something like that once before. A key difference, tho, is that you didn't have an underlying love for or deep bond with your bandmates. The frustration was a bit more … pure?

Hatred, even?

In the end, it was a useful experience, I hope, in clarifying all that shit you don't want to do and won't do. Shitty experiences are can be good experiences assuming you aren't legit traumatized by them.

For sure, though in retrospect I'm confused about why I said yes in the first place. Everything that I was worried about wound up happening almost instantly. We had a professional photo shoot within about a week of me officially joining. Priorities!

[Dr. Medulla]

I thought about George a lot when I was in that last band. Totally understand his moods, having lived through a dynamic of the same variety.

I recall you saying something like that once before. A key difference, tho, is that you didn't have an underlying love for or deep bond with your bandmates. The frustration was a bit more … pure?

Hatred, even?

In the end, it was a useful experience, I hope, in clarifying all that shit you don't want to do and won't do. Shitty experiences are can be good experiences assuming you aren't legit traumatized by them.

For sure, though in retrospect I'm confused about why I said yes in the first place. Everything that I was worried about wound up happening almost instantly. We had a professional photo shoot within about a week of me officially joining. Priorities!

I can't remember what I said when you solicited opinions here, but I think I was wary of you joining just because you didn't seem to be all that committed to what they were doing. If my memory is right—blind chipmunks finding nuts, etc—then, clearly, you should put me on retainer as your guru.

[Kory]

I recall you saying something like that once before. A key difference, tho, is that you didn't have an underlying love for or deep bond with your bandmates. The frustration was a bit more … pure?

Hatred, even?

In the end, it was a useful experience, I hope, in clarifying all that shit you don't want to do and won't do. Shitty experiences are can be good experiences assuming you aren't legit traumatized by them.

For sure, though in retrospect I'm confused about why I said yes in the first place. Everything that I was worried about wound up happening almost instantly. We had a professional photo shoot within about a week of me officially joining. Priorities!

I can't remember what I said when you solicited opinions here, but I think I was wary of you joining just because you didn't seem to be all that committed to what they were doing. If my memory is right—blind chipmunks finding nuts, etc—then, clearly, you should put me on retainer as your guru.

Oh you mean you want money for the job now?

[Dr. Medulla]

Hatred, even?

In the end, it was a useful experience, I hope, in clarifying all that shit you don't want to do and won't do. Shitty experiences are can be good experiences assuming you aren't legit traumatized by them.

For sure, though in retrospect I'm confused about why I said yes in the first place. Everything that I was worried about wound up happening almost instantly. We had a professional photo shoot within about a week of me officially joining. Priorities!

I can't remember what I said when you solicited opinions here, but I think I was wary of you joining just because you didn't seem to be all that committed to what they were doing. If my memory is right—blind chipmunks finding nuts, etc—then, clearly, you should put me on retainer as your guru.

Oh you mean you want money for the job now?

I'll take Whacky Packs cards if you have them.