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This isn't at all an indictment of Marky's work (in general, I have yet to hear his new Abbey Road although I look forward to spinning it this weekend), but in some modicum of fairness to Giles Martin wasn't he specifically talking about making surround mixes? I can see where technology could be limited for some of those older recordings to make effective, like, dolby atmos compliant surround sound stuff. I think that's a sort of stupid bar to set for going through the Beatles catalog, mind.
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Sparky wrote:
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So is this what Mr Giles Martin can't do with hundreds of thousands of pounds of technology at Abbey Road and I can with my software that cost less than a hundred pounds? Call the taxman I say.

https://mega.nz/file/kp52SQSb#lEu5LlpNN ... XgamdnG3pY
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Um, groovy?
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This isn't at all an indictment of Marky's work (in general, I have yet to hear his new Abbey Road although I look forward to spinning it this weekend), but in some modicum of fairness to Giles Martin wasn't he specifically talking about making surround mixes? I can see where technology could be limited for some of those older recordings to make effective, like, dolby atmos compliant surround sound stuff. I think that's a sort of stupid bar to set for going through the Beatles catalog, mind.
I've not mixed Abbey Road. ;)

I think Giles is talking about a surround sound version. But he was saying the technology just isn't there to remix Revolver etc. He mentioned being unable to separate Lennon's guitar from his voice. Listening to all the versions I have John's voice and guitar in one channel bass, drums, guitar and backing vox in another.

This is suggesting that they do not have the tracks as separate entities. It suggest to me that John's vocals and guitar are both recorded to to same track. Mixed down and that Giles requires them as separate tracks to do justice to full surround sound mix. He is saying the technology to separate John's vocal from his guitar is not available yet.

There is tech that allows you to remove vocals from the remainder of the track (see Gerald's CtC) but it doesn't do this cleanly and it still leaves traces and leaves the vocal sounding thin. Not sufficient for a remaster of such a highly revered album.
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Marky Dread wrote:
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This isn't at all an indictment of Marky's work (in general, I have yet to hear his new Abbey Road although I look forward to spinning it this weekend), but in some modicum of fairness to Giles Martin wasn't he specifically talking about making surround mixes? I can see where technology could be limited for some of those older recordings to make effective, like, dolby atmos compliant surround sound stuff. I think that's a sort of stupid bar to set for going through the Beatles catalog, mind.
I've not mixed Abbey Road. ;)

I think Giles is talking about a surround sound version. But he was saying the technology just isn't there to remix Revolver etc. He mentioned being unable to separate Lennon's guitar from his voice. Listening to all the versions I have John's voice and guitar in one channel bass, drums, guitar and backing vox in another.

This is suggesting that they do not have the tracks as separate entities. It suggest to me that John's vocals and guitar are both recorded to to same track. Mixed down and that Giles requires them as separate tracks to do justice to full surround sound mix. He is saying the technology to separate John's vocal from his guitar is not available yet.

There is tech that allows you to remove vocals from the remainder of the track (see Gerald's CtC) but it doesn't do this cleanly and it still leaves traces and leaves the vocal sounding thin. Not sufficient for a remaster of such a highly revered album.
I recall they did something called an "extraction mix" on certain 60's Beach Boys tracks. Basically, Brian Wilson mixed everything to mono, so there were never many (if any) true stereo mixes. Everything was fake stereo. The extracted stereo they used on the last batch of remasters took the mono mixes, but then extracted certain elements from the mono and then used those elements to create as close to true stereo as they could. It's not true stereo, but it sounds a lot better than the fake stereo. I'm not saying this would work with something like Revolver, but just an interesting aside.
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WestwayKid wrote:
02 Aug 2021, 9:35am
Marky Dread wrote:
01 Aug 2021, 6:21pm
Flex wrote:
30 Jul 2021, 12:45pm
This isn't at all an indictment of Marky's work (in general, I have yet to hear his new Abbey Road although I look forward to spinning it this weekend), but in some modicum of fairness to Giles Martin wasn't he specifically talking about making surround mixes? I can see where technology could be limited for some of those older recordings to make effective, like, dolby atmos compliant surround sound stuff. I think that's a sort of stupid bar to set for going through the Beatles catalog, mind.
I've not mixed Abbey Road. ;)

I think Giles is talking about a surround sound version. But he was saying the technology just isn't there to remix Revolver etc. He mentioned being unable to separate Lennon's guitar from his voice. Listening to all the versions I have John's voice and guitar in one channel bass, drums, guitar and backing vox in another.

This is suggesting that they do not have the tracks as separate entities. It suggest to me that John's vocals and guitar are both recorded to to same track. Mixed down and that Giles requires them as separate tracks to do justice to full surround sound mix. He is saying the technology to separate John's vocal from his guitar is not available yet.

There is tech that allows you to remove vocals from the remainder of the track (see Gerald's CtC) but it doesn't do this cleanly and it still leaves traces and leaves the vocal sounding thin. Not sufficient for a remaster of such a highly revered album.
I recall they did something called an "extraction mix" on certain 60's Beach Boys tracks. Basically, Brian Wilson mixed everything to mono, so there were never many (if any) true stereo mixes. Everything was fake stereo. The extracted stereo they used on the last batch of remasters took the mono mixes, but then extracted certain elements from the mono and then used those elements to create as close to true stereo as they could. It's not true stereo, but it sounds a lot better than the fake stereo. I'm not saying this would work with something like Revolver, but just an interesting aside.
I remember an old interview from the 60s on Ready, Steady Go! (I think) with Pete Townshend where he called The Beatles stereo albums "flipping lousy" he wasn't wrong. If they had mixed all the components as separate channels then it would've made things easier to mix today. But it appears to me that they recorded more than one thing per channel. I don't think they recorded a true stereo album until Abbey Road.
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Paul puts out a video with a deepfake Paul. That stuff is still plenty unnerving to me.

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A Beatles assertion: "Isn't It a Pity" is arguably the greatest post-Beatles song and certainly George's best. I especially appreciate how it affirms the Beatles perspective of unconditional love and respect, yet, true to George's jaundiced view of the world, it approaches it from how we fail to achieve that ideal. He embraces the ideal like the others, but can't ignore the reality that our own real weaknesses keep us from the prize.
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Newly discovered Lennon interview tapes from the late 60s. Nothing especially surprising from the brief story.
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/musi ... -1.4669240
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
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Newly discovered Lennon interview tapes from the late 60s. Nothing especially surprising from the brief story.
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/musi ... -1.4669240
Guess I'm a little surprised he considered Revolution #9 one of his favorites, I can't get the needle off of the record fast enough when that track plays.
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Sparky wrote:
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Newly discovered Lennon interview tapes from the late 60s. Nothing especially surprising from the brief story.
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/musi ... -1.4669240
Guess I'm a little surprised he considered Revolution #9 one of his favorites, I can't get the needle off of the record fast enough when that track plays.
In 1969 and annoyed with being a Beatle, it makes a lot of sense.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
09 Sep 2021, 6:24pm
Sparky wrote:
09 Sep 2021, 6:04pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
09 Sep 2021, 4:49pm
Newly discovered Lennon interview tapes from the late 60s. Nothing especially surprising from the brief story.
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/musi ... -1.4669240
Guess I'm a little surprised he considered Revolution #9 one of his favorites, I can't get the needle off of the record fast enough when that track plays.
In 1969 and annoyed with being a Beatle, it makes a lot of sense.
I'm sure the 1969 part had a lot to do with it.
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