Heston and Marky's Friday Top 5

[Heston]

The obvious ones have been named, but I'll also add to the list Death, … For The Whole World To See.

Git...I was just about to add that. Released in 2009 but recorded in 1975. Gets by on a technicality.

[Marky Dread]

The obvious ones have been named, but I'll also add to the list Death, … For The Whole World To See.

Git...I was just about to add that. Released in 2009 but recorded in 1975. Gets by on a technicality.

...see Wolts top 5.

[Heston]

The obvious ones have been named, but I'll also add to the list Death, … For The Whole World To See.

Git...I was just about to add that. Released in 2009 but recorded in 1975. Gets by on a technicality.

...see Wolts top 5.

Fair enough...me and Doc both missed it.

[JennyB]

I don't have anything to add. I love everything everyone already listed. Is Suicide considered proto or post-punk?

[Flex]

Is Suicide considered proto or post-punk?

First one, then the other.

[JennyB]

Is Suicide considered proto or post-punk?

First one, then the other.

I guess they are in a category of their own!

[Toppers Boppers]

I guess we'll doing US proto-punk debut singles / EPs too?
<fingers itchin>

[Marky Dread]

I guess we'll doing US proto-punk debut singles / EPs too?
<fingers itchin>

UK prot-punk next...and then...

[Marky Dread]

I don't have anything to add. I love everything everyone already listed. Is Suicide considered proto or post-punk?

As Flex stated it's both. Were around from 1970 but didn't release their debut 'til 1977. Innovators.

[Flex]

BTW, Rocket from the Tombs is still just hanging out there for someone to put in their Top 5. I would have, but wasn't sure they'd count since official releases were well after the fact, but if Death can count...

[revbob]

BTW, Rocket from the Tombs is still just hanging out there for someone to put in their Top 5. I would have, but wasn't sure they'd count since official releases were well after the fact, but if Death can count...

Same is true for Pure Hell.

Although I probably wouldn't list them in top 5, would have to back and listen again

[Marky Dread]

BTW, Rocket from the Tombs is still just hanging out there for someone to put in their Top 5. I would have, but wasn't sure they'd count since official releases were well after the fact, but if Death can count...

There are loads of bands who recorded stuff prior to '76 and then had material released later and I'm fine with that.

I chose my top 5 based upon just how influential those artists were to what followed both sides of the pond.

[Dr. Medulla]

I chose my top 5 based upon just how influential those artists were to what followed both sides of the pond.

I know you said no Nuggets bands, but wasn't the original Nuggets compilation massively influential for what became punk? The bands weren't proto-punk, but the effect was the same.

[Marky Dread]

I chose my top 5 based upon just how influential those artists were to what followed both sides of the pond.

I know you said no Nuggets bands, but wasn't the original Nuggets compilation massively influential for what became punk? The bands weren't proto-punk, but the effect was the same.

This is somewhat an intriguing subject. Here is my take on it : The brilliant Nuggets double album compilation put together by Lenny Kaye and released by Elektra in '72. Often I've heard just how this album influenced the punk rock generation '76 onwards and Jon Savage is always keen to include it in his appraisals and rightly so. However proof is in the pudding and while a lot of bands copped their attitutde from the idea of that earlier punk snarl the music paints a very different picture. The nuggets bands (most of them) seem to to take a lot of inspiration from The Stones and in particular Jagger's swagger. Now listening to punk bands from the US and UK they all appear to take inspiration from either The Stooges or The Dolls to some degree with the Sex Pistols also using early mod bands The Who/The Creation/ Small Faces and that shaped the majority of the sound. There are alternates like Talking Heads / Television who come from a more art-punk approach.

The Ramones influenced tons of bands and that is really because what they played (brilliantly) was so simplistic which gave rise to the ''anybody can do this attitude'' (you really can't). I don't hear the sound of those nuggets/garage rock bands as much in punk rock to be honest even though some of the songs got covered. Just as much as punk bands took the Ramones 1-2-3-4 approach many copied Lydon (Rotten) in trying to sound different most these bands are the ones that fell by the wayside. I think the biggest infuence on the first wave of US/UK punk bands are The Stooges/The Dolls with each band incorporating their own use of other stuff from the past such as The Ramones love of Bbblegum pop or The Clash with steals from The Kinks/The Who.

[101Walterton]

New York Dolls - New York Dolls
MC5 - Kick Out The Jams motherfucker
Patti Smith - Horses
Stooges - Raw Power
Velvet Underground - Velvet Underground