Flex's Takes: The Beach Boys

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WestwayKid wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 1:44pm
That said, the lyrics to this track: https://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/mike ... _boat.html are really, really bad.
Um, are we supposed to read it as double entendre? If so, that's entering KISS territory.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 2:09pm
WestwayKid wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 1:44pm
That said, the lyrics to this track: https://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/mike ... _boat.html are really, really bad.
Um, are we supposed to read it as double entendre? If so, that's entering KISS territory.
It's totally KISS territory.
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WestwayKid wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 2:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 2:09pm
WestwayKid wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 1:44pm
That said, the lyrics to this track: https://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/mike ... _boat.html are really, really bad.
Um, are we supposed to read it as double entendre? If so, that's entering KISS territory.
It's totally KISS territory.
Good gravy. :yuck:
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"It's not at all brilliant... but... it could have been far, far worse" raves WestWayKid!

That's gotta be the most positive review of that record I've read, tbqh
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WestwayKid wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 9:25am
This might only interest my fellow IMCT BB fanatic Flex, but as I continue to re-explore Smile, I've been kicking around thoughts on why the album was never finished and I'm wondering how much Heroes and Villains had an impact on the record grinding to a halt.

There were phases to the Smile sessions. The first phase was prior to Van Dyke Parks coming on board. Brian was working through ideas and sounds and concepts. Then Van Dyke joins up and the album sessions take off in earnest and a lot of work is done, with several tracks being completed (or nearly completed).

At some point, Heroes and Villains was slated to become the group's next single. It would be the follow up to Good Vibrations and the first single on their new Brothers Records label. I would imagine there was a lot of pressure on Brian to deliver the goods. He essentially stops work on Smile to commit all of his creative energy to the single, and in the process begins poaching bits from other Smile tracks. It's like he started punching holes in the album to complete the single. He worked on it throughout early 1967, before scrapping everything in June. He then remade the track in June/July 1967 for eventual release.

For whatever reason, it seems Smile stalled out while Brian was trying to complete Heroes and Villains in spring 1967.
You probably have a better understanding of the session sequencing than I do, but this makes a lot of sense to me. Given Brian's adoration of the single format (think of how personally he got wrapped up The Little Girl I Once Knew) I could see the pressure of following up on Good Vibrations just being a total mindfuck for him and it pulling everything down around him.
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What gives with the 5 minute H&V on the Smile Sessions box? Is that the original from which the single was edited down from? Or was stuff added before the 2011 release? This shit is confusing.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Don't forget, I'm the Still Cruisin'/Summer in Paradise expert.
Reminder that I bought the former when it came out. :disshame: :disshame:
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07 Sep 2021, 5:21pm
What gives with the 5 minute H&V on the Smile Sessions box? Is that the original from which the single was edited down from? Or was stuff added before the 2011 release? This shit is confusing.
That's known as the "Cantina" version of the song and was the final (though final is a relative term in regards to Brian) version Brian produced for inclusion on the Smile LP. The version that appears on Smiley Smile (and the single) is a remade version that Brian did in June 1967. He used parts of the original Smile version, as well as newly recorded bits to create that version. I don't consider it a new song, but rather new assembly/mix.
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Wolter wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 8:05pm
matedog wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 11:54am
Don't forget, I'm the Still Cruisin'/Summer in Paradise expert.
Reminder that I bought the former when it came out. :disshame: :disshame:
Mike and Bruce thank you for your purchase.
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WestwayKid wrote:
08 Sep 2021, 10:56am
Wolter wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 8:05pm
matedog wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 11:54am
Don't forget, I'm the Still Cruisin'/Summer in Paradise expert.
Reminder that I bought the former when it came out. :disshame: :disshame:
Mike and Bruce thank you for your purchase.
I hope the Fat Boys also got a taste.
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WestwayKid wrote:
08 Sep 2021, 10:55am
matedog wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 5:21pm
What gives with the 5 minute H&V on the Smile Sessions box? Is that the original from which the single was edited down from? Or was stuff added before the 2011 release? This shit is confusing.
That's known as the "Cantina" version of the song and was the final (though final is a relative term in regards to Brian) version Brian produced for inclusion on the Smile LP. The version that appears on Smiley Smile (and the single) is a remade version that Brian did in June 1967. He used parts of the original Smile version, as well as newly recorded bits to create that version. I don't consider it a new song, but rather new assembly/mix.
God I love the Cantina version.
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Wolter wrote:
08 Sep 2021, 11:16am
WestwayKid wrote:
08 Sep 2021, 10:56am
Wolter wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 8:05pm
matedog wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 11:54am
Don't forget, I'm the Still Cruisin'/Summer in Paradise expert.
Reminder that I bought the former when it came out. :disshame: :disshame:
Mike and Bruce thank you for your purchase.
I hope the Fat Boys also got a taste.
They had originally planned to work with Run DMC on that track, but Mike cut a deal with the Fat Boys instead.
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WestwayKid wrote:
08 Sep 2021, 11:42am
Wolter wrote:
08 Sep 2021, 11:16am
WestwayKid wrote:
08 Sep 2021, 10:56am
Wolter wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 8:05pm
matedog wrote:
07 Sep 2021, 11:54am
Don't forget, I'm the Still Cruisin'/Summer in Paradise expert.
Reminder that I bought the former when it came out. :disshame: :disshame:
Mike and Bruce thank you for your purchase.
I hope the Fat Boys also got a taste.
They had originally planned to work with Run DMC on that track, but Mike cut a deal with the Fat Boys instead.
Classic Mike!
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https://www.thebeachboyscruise.com/?utm ... 83S,E7LO,1

Who wants to go on a cruise with Mike & Bruce!!!
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WestwayKid wrote:
07 Oct 2021, 12:59pm
https://www.thebeachboyscruise.com/?utm ... 83S,E7LO,1

Who wants to go on a cruise with Mike & Bruce!!!
I'll go if I can get Mike to do Summer in Paradise and Still Cruisin' deep cuts.

In fact, they kinda have to do the Still Cruisin' title track right? I know that's not the kind of cruising they are referring to, but come on!
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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