Flex's Takes: The Beach Boys

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By the way, that stupid KISS exercise now has Spotify pushing all of KISS' recent live releases every week on me. No Spotify, I really don't want to hear a live performance of "Lick It Up" from 2004 in Virginia Beach.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Ooof.
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Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Flex wrote:
19 Jul 2022, 12:17pm
matedog wrote:
19 Jul 2022, 12:17pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
19 Jul 2022, 12:13pm
matedog wrote:
19 Jul 2022, 12:02pm
Man, I wonder if I should do a deep dive on Beach Boys videos from 85-93 like the KISS videos. I'm way more familiar with these videos already, so it'll be less revelatory, but could be a fun exercise.
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Would it go in this thread or the rape van thread? 85-93 is the Mike Love era...
Rape Van is for when we debase ourselves with the beach boys, such as what you're about to do.
I would dearly love for a Facebook group dedicated to ML be started and called Mike Love's Rape Van. Just confuse the fuck out of people with unwavering stories of how Mike has touched your life and is the only true Beach Boy and all that. No mention of rape or anything like that, just that strange title that no one ever mentions.
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Rat Patrol wrote:
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I can't wait until the installment about The Fat Boys. Or that Full House episode where Michelle learned a very valuable lesson about Paul McCartney being a fucking no-talent cocksucker.
Oh that gave me a belated good chuckle.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
19 Jul 2022, 12:44pm
Rat Patrol wrote:
07 Apr 2012, 9:41pm
I can't wait until the installment about The Fat Boys. Or that Full House episode where Michelle learned a very valuable lesson about Paul McCartney being a fucking no-talent cocksucker.
Oh that gave me a belated good chuckle.
:lol: I will never not be a fan of gratuitous vulgarity in service of a joke.
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matedog wrote:
19 Jul 2022, 12:23pm
Ooof.
Not much good on that list. My hot takes:

Good Timin' is great.
Getcha Back is catchy, but Mike's voice is way too nasally and yeah, 80's production.
It's Getting Late, great vocal by Carl, but again - 80's production is flat and sterile
Rock and Roll to the Rescue, not terrible, interesting vocal by Brian, but leans a little too heavily on fun in the sun
California Dreamin' is a solid cover
Happy Endings = terrible
Wipe Out = terrible, but one wonders if it would have been better with Run DMC as originally planned??
Still Cruisin' not awful compared to what was coming down the pike
Somewhere Near Japan = see Still Cruisin'

Everything else listed is garbage.
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WestwayKid wrote:
19 Jul 2022, 1:16pm
matedog wrote:
19 Jul 2022, 12:23pm
Ooof.
Not much good on that list. My hot takes:

Good Timin' is great.
Getcha Back is catchy, but Mike's voice is way too nasally and yeah, 80's production.
It's Getting Late, great vocal by Carl, but again - 80's production is flat and sterile
Rock and Roll to the Rescue, not terrible, interesting vocal by Brian, but leans a little too heavily on fun in the sun
California Dreamin' is a solid cover
Happy Endings = terrible
Wipe Out = terrible, but one wonders if it would have been better with Run DMC as originally planned??
Still Cruisin' not awful compared to what was coming down the pike
Somewhere Near Japan = see Still Cruisin'

Everything else listed is garbage.
So the song quality is only half the exercise. I'm skipping pre-MTV stuff, so no Good Timin' especially since it's just a performance vid.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
19 Jul 2022, 1:44pm
So the song quality is only half the exercise. I'm skipping pre-MTV stuff, so no Good Timin' especially since it's just a performance vid.
Hmmmm, an ominous statement. For your own sanity, mostly.
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Fuck this is worse than the resolution of the KISS videos.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Skimmed through some videos, the Wipe Out video is going to be REAL tough to beat.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
19 Jul 2022, 1:49pm
Fuck this is worse than the resolution of the KISS videos.
Somewhere, Heston is clipping and laminating this statement to use against you someday, claiming you said KISS is better than the Beach Boys.
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matedog wrote:
19 Jul 2022, 1:49pm
Fuck this is worse than the resolution of the KISS videos.
There is nothing good about this from the music to the video.
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Ladies and gentlemen, take a look at the Brian-O-Meter: tracking Brian Wilson's involvement in every Beach Boys release!!

Surfin' Safari - Pet Sounds = Brian's involvement level 110%
Smiley Smile = 95%
Wild Honey = 85-90%
Friends = 75-ish%
20/20 = 45-50%
Sunflower = 35-40%
Surf's Up = maybe 25-30%
Carl and the Passions = 15%
Holland = 10%
15 Big Ones = 75%
Love You = 85-90%
M.I.U. Album = 60-65%
LA (Light Album) = 5%
Keepin' the Summer Alive = 10%
Beach Boys 85 = 50%
Still Cruisin' = 30%
Summer in Paradise = 0%
That's Why Good Made the Radio = 95%

He did too much early on. Smile marked an album by album decline to the point where I feel he was minimally involved by the mid-70s. They brought him back for 15 Big Ones and then let him run wild (in a good way) on Love You (with an assist from Carl). Then came another decline.
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matedog wrote:
01 Jun 2022, 10:12am
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31 May 2022, 6:55pm
I'm sure we've shared this a time or two but every once in a while I remember it exists and it is definitely worse than anything Mike Love has ever released:
I think Maj brought up the ultra lame trend at the time of starting a rap with "My name is..."

I wanted to give it a half hearted defense in comparison to "Summer of Love," but no, it's definitely worse. I wanted the sorta mash up thing to be better, particularly with the Dust Brothers involvement. Yeesh, they did this in 1990? After Paul's Boutique. Maybe this would get a pass in like 1985, but hip hop evolved a lot by then.
Cannot even imagine a 1985 where Brian Wilson had even heard a rap song yet.
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Say, you ask, how many degrees of separation is there between Brian Wilson and Jeff Altman? One. The answer is one.
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