YES!
R.I.P. Paul.
I don't know much about Judas Priest's music, but I have heard Rob Halford interviewed a number of times and he seems like a really lovely man (I mean that sincerely).
I've been trying to think of a new word for this type of person. They aren't really fans, are they? Or perhaps, using the original definition of "fanatic," they are, and we need a new word for people that actually like the art form in question rather than making it a mental handicap.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 12:37pmIn one of my lectures about genre and aesthetics and fandom, I share an anecdote from high school. When Judas Priest released Turbo, the metal fans I knew were livid. "Fucking pussies sold out with synthesizers and shit." Metal could not include synths, apparently. Fans are all about establishing what isn't allowed.
I've come to the conclusion that, no, that is what a fan is. Artists want freedom to fulfill their needs, fans seek to constrain that freedom so that their needs aren't disrupted. When the two interests fit, it's great, but fans fundamentally prefer stasis. I've largely stopped using the word fan to describe myself. But I could be persuaded to moderate my views.Kory wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 1:31pmI've been trying to think of a new word for this type of person. They aren't really fans, are they? Or perhaps, using the original definition of "fanatic," they are, and we need a new word for people that actually like the art form in question rather than making it a mental handicap.
"Appreciator" maybe.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 1:37pmI've come to the conclusion that, no, that is what a fan is. Artists want freedom to fulfill their needs, fans seek to constrain that freedom so that their needs aren't disrupted. When the two interests fit, it's great, but fans fundamentally prefer stasis. I've largely stopped using the word fan to describe myself. But I could be persuaded to moderate my views.Kory wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 1:31pmI've been trying to think of a new word for this type of person. They aren't really fans, are they? Or perhaps, using the original definition of "fanatic," they are, and we need a new word for people that actually like the art form in question rather than making it a mental handicap.
Yeah, I was thinking somewhere along the lines of "supporter."Flex wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 1:46pm"Appreciator" maybe.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 1:37pmI've come to the conclusion that, no, that is what a fan is. Artists want freedom to fulfill their needs, fans seek to constrain that freedom so that their needs aren't disrupted. When the two interests fit, it's great, but fans fundamentally prefer stasis. I've largely stopped using the word fan to describe myself. But I could be persuaded to moderate my views.Kory wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 1:31pmI've been trying to think of a new word for this type of person. They aren't really fans, are they? Or perhaps, using the original definition of "fanatic," they are, and we need a new word for people that actually like the art form in question rather than making it a mental handicap.
Yeah that makes sense, and already exists as a phrase when suffixed to "art." It also leaves room for open-mindedness.Flex wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 1:46pm"Appreciator" maybe.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 1:37pmI've come to the conclusion that, no, that is what a fan is. Artists want freedom to fulfill their needs, fans seek to constrain that freedom so that their needs aren't disrupted. When the two interests fit, it's great, but fans fundamentally prefer stasis. I've largely stopped using the word fan to describe myself. But I could be persuaded to moderate my views.Kory wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 1:31pmI've been trying to think of a new word for this type of person. They aren't really fans, are they? Or perhaps, using the original definition of "fanatic," they are, and we need a new word for people that actually like the art form in question rather than making it a mental handicap.
I think this was also around the time that some metal fans got wind of the fact that Rob is gay.Kory wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 1:31pmI've been trying to think of a new word for this type of person. They aren't really fans, are they? Or perhaps, using the original definition of "fanatic," they are, and we need a new word for people that actually like the art form in question rather than making it a mental handicap.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 12:37pmIn one of my lectures about genre and aesthetics and fandom, I share an anecdote from high school. When Judas Priest released Turbo, the metal fans I knew were livid. "Fucking pussies sold out with synthesizers and shit." Metal could not include synths, apparently. Fans are all about establishing what isn't allowed.
To which:revbob wrote: ↑05 Dec 2024, 10:11amI think this was also around the time that some metal fans got wind of the fact that Rob is gay.Kory wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 1:31pmI've been trying to think of a new word for this type of person. They aren't really fans, are they? Or perhaps, using the original definition of "fanatic," they are, and we need a new word for people that actually like the art form in question rather than making it a mental handicap.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 12:37pmIn one of my lectures about genre and aesthetics and fandom, I share an anecdote from high school. When Judas Priest released Turbo, the metal fans I knew were livid. "Fucking pussies sold out with synthesizers and shit." Metal could not include synths, apparently. Fans are all about establishing what isn't allowed.