ROUND 4 - The Clash - Side One

[Marky Dread]

Bye Riot. It's a great punk song but there's louder and faster and the politics of the lyrics are open to wilful misinterpretation.

Only if you are a brainless fuckwit.

[Marky Dread]

Remote Control, because of the two Controls, Complete is better.

Don't disagree except your argument is somewhat flawed as this is for the UK original and Complete Control is not on this album and not released until 5 months later.

Complete Control is listed elsewhere.

[Marky Dread]

Whilst I live some of the lyrics to WR - are you going backwards etc.

It's fairly tuneless.

Ramones disagree.

[Marky Dread]

I decided to be really contrarian and pick Janie Jones because at this point I love all of the songs.

Damn I felt like I had to do the same but don't feel good about it.

[Dr. Medulla]

Remote Control, because of the two Controls, Complete is better.

Don't disagree except your argument is somewhat flawed as this is for the UK original and Complete Control is not on this album and not released until 5 months later.

Complete Control is listed elsewhere.

A weak excuse is still better than no excuse. And I felt obliged to offer an excuse for voting against RC.

[Marky Dread]

Remote Control, because of the two Controls, Complete is better.

Don't disagree except your argument is somewhat flawed as this is for the UK original and Complete Control is not on this album and not released until 5 months later.

Complete Control is listed elsewhere.

A weak excuse is still better than no excuse. And I felt obliged to offer an excuse for voting against RC.

Yes thanks for that Theresa.

[Silent Majority]

Bye Riot. It's a great punk song but there's louder and faster and the politics of the lyrics are open to wilful misinterpretation.

Only if you are a brainless fuckwit.

You know how many of those are around.

[101Walterton]

Bye Riot. It's a great punk song but there's louder and faster and the politics of the lyrics are open to wilful misinterpretation.

Only if you are a brainless fuckwit.

You know how many of those are around.

Fuck 'em this is insanity

[Marky Dread]

Bye Riot. It's a great punk song but there's louder and faster and the politics of the lyrics are open to wilful misinterpretation.

Only if you are a brainless fuckwit.

You know how many of those are around.

Not Clash fans those people. One listen to the lyrics should be simply enough. I think the song nails it colours dead straight to the mast leaving no room for doubt in my eyes. I've never understood the misrepresentation rubbish.

[Silent Majority]

To be honest, and I know I'm in the minority on this, I think that the lyric to White Riot, while obviously well meaning, is too simplistic and generalised to whole heartedly defend.

[Dr. Medulla]

To be honest, and I know I'm in the minority on this, I think that the lyric to White Riot, while obviously well meaning, is too simplistic and generalised to whole heartedly defend.

It's a two-minute punk song, tho. It's a fish bat to the forehead to get your attention. I mean, you're not wrong, but your criticism is with the punk form than the song itself.

[matedog]

To be honest, and I know I'm in the minority on this, I think that the lyric to White Riot, while obviously well meaning, is too simplistic and generalised to whole heartedly defend.

It's a two-minute punk song, tho. It's a fish bat to the forehead to get your attention. I mean, you're not wrong, but your criticism is with the punk form than the song itself.

Particularly for 77. Were there any songs of that time that had more nuance?

[Silent Majority]

To be honest, and I know I'm in the minority on this, I think that the lyric to White Riot, while obviously well meaning, is too simplistic and generalised to whole heartedly defend.

It's a two-minute punk song, tho. It's a fish bat to the forehead to get your attention. I mean, you're not wrong, but your criticism is with the punk form than the song itself.

Particularly for 77. Were there any songs of that time that had more nuance?

White Man In Hammersmith Palais wasn't much later.

Really, my objection comes down almost entirely to the clanger of the line "black man gotta lot of problems/but he don't mind throwing a brick." I know the story behind the song, I know Joe's intentions, but you can craft a couplet in a two minute punk song that doesn't make it sound as though you see black people as a homogeneous brick throwing mass.

[Inder]

To be honest, and I know I'm in the minority on this, I think that the lyric to White Riot, while obviously well meaning, is too simplistic and generalised to whole heartedly defend.

It's a two-minute punk song, tho. It's a fish bat to the forehead to get your attention. I mean, you're not wrong, but your criticism is with the punk form than the song itself.

Particularly for 77. Were there any songs of that time that had more nuance?

White Man In Hammersmith Palais wasn't much later.

Really, my objection comes down almost entirely to the clanger of the line "black man gotta lot of problems/but he don't mind throwing a brick." I know the story behind the song, I know Joe's intentions, but you can craft a couplet in a two minute punk song that doesn't make it sound as though you see black people as a homogeneous brick throwing mass.

That's a pretty ungenerous interpretation, imo.

[Marky Dread]

To be honest, and I know I'm in the minority on this, I think that the lyric to White Riot, while obviously well meaning, is too simplistic and generalised to whole heartedly defend.

It's a two-minute punk song, tho. It's a fish bat to the forehead to get your attention. I mean, you're not wrong, but your criticism is with the punk form than the song itself.

Particularly for 77. Were there any songs of that time that had more nuance?

White Man In Hammersmith Palais wasn't much later.

Really, my objection comes down almost entirely to the clanger of the line "black man gotta lot of problems/but he don't mind throwing a brick." I know the story behind the song, I know Joe's intentions, but you can craft a couplet in a two minute punk song that doesn't make it sound as though you see black people as a homogeneous brick throwing mass.

I'm certain the lyric is ''black people gotta lot of problems/but they don't mind throwing a brick'' which is suggesting more power to those black people for standing up for their rights. It's in total praise of black people while the scaredy cat white folk sit around just accepting shit and complaining. How anyone finds that line racist is beyond me unless of course you are one those white people that went to school where they taught you how to be thick.