ROUND 11 - Cut the Crap - Side Two

[WestwayKid]

Voted off: North and South

[BitterTom]

TCT to win please.

[Flex]

Was a bit sad to see N&S go. After finishing Ralph's book on Mark II, that song had newly resonated with me. That said, 3CT to win it.

LET'S SLAY THE TIE DRAGON

[deny]

Voted for TIE as it has been speeded up - check Matey's normalised version to see how much better it would have been at normal speed!

[Marky Dread]

Voted for TIE as it has been speeded up - check Matey's normalised version to see how much better it would have been at normal speed!

Not speeded up but pitch shifted on the vocal.

[Wolter]

TIE is the third best song on the album. Let’s slay that dragon!

[Heston]

Voted for TIE as it has been speeded up - check Matey's normalised version to see how much better it would have been at normal speed!

Not speeded up but pitch shifted on the vocal.

Sorry mate but the whole track was sped up, you can tell as it's in between keys.

[Marky Dread]

Voted for TIE as it has been speeded up - check Matey's normalised version to see how much better it would have been at normal speed!

Not speeded up but pitch shifted on the vocal.

Sorry mate but the whole track was sped up, you can tell as it's in between keys.

How can you tell with those drums and that guitar sound? I thought the version matedog posted he said it was pitch shifted. I didn't realise he meant the whole track. So it's varispeeded not pitch shifted?

[Heston]

Voted for TIE as it has been speeded up - check Matey's normalised version to see how much better it would have been at normal speed!

Not speeded up but pitch shifted on the vocal.

Sorry mate but the whole track was sped up, you can tell as it's in between keys.

How can you tell with those drums and that guitar sound? I thought the version matedog posted he said it was pitch shifted.

If it was just the vocal sped up it would still be in a definite key. The fact that the song is in between keys heavily suggests the whole thing was sped up. When you have a synth on a track it will naturally be in concert pitch unless it has been vari-speeded on the dial.

[Marky Dread]

Voted for TIE as it has been speeded up - check Matey's normalised version to see how much better it would have been at normal speed!

Not speeded up but pitch shifted on the vocal.

Sorry mate but the whole track was sped up, you can tell as it's in between keys.

How can you tell with those drums and that guitar sound? I thought the version matedog posted he said it was pitch shifted.

If it was just the vocal sped up it would still be in a definite key. The fact that the song is in between keys heavily suggests the whole thing was sped up. When you have a synth on a track it will naturally be in concert pitch unless it has been vari-speeded on the dial.

Yeah that all makes sense. I was certain i read that the version matey put up on YouTube was pitch shifted. Maybe he just used that expression to mean speed adjustment. In your opinion by what percentage do you think it's sped up. The thing that I always found strange was the young girls voice at the start selling tea towels etc. Joe's voice just seemed normal but there are times over the years where his voice has that chipmunk feel to it a strange inflection. The GEER demos ran way too fast but even slowed down to something resembling the correct speed Joe still has that odd sound to his voice.

[Heston]

Not speeded up but pitch shifted on the vocal.

Sorry mate but the whole track was sped up, you can tell as it's in between keys.

How can you tell with those drums and that guitar sound? I thought the version matedog posted he said it was pitch shifted.

If it was just the vocal sped up it would still be in a definite key. The fact that the song is in between keys heavily suggests the whole thing was sped up. When you have a synth on a track it will naturally be in concert pitch unless it has been vari-speeded on the dial.

Yeah that all makes sense. I was certain i read that the version matey put up on YouTube was pitch shifted. Maybe he just used that expression to mean speed adjustment. In your opinion by what percentage do you think it's sped up. The thing that I always found strange was the young girls voice at the start selling tea towels etc. Joe's voice just seemed normal but there are times over the years where his voice has that chipmunk feel to it a strange inflection. The GEER demos ran way too fast but even slowed down to something resembling the correct speed Joe still has that odd sound to his voice.

Matey will probably explain better but I think he adjusted the pitch of the vocal whilst keeping the speed of the song the same. It was basically using modern technology to achieve Bernie's vision of the song without compromising Joe's vocal..

[Marky Dread]

Sorry mate but the whole track was sped up, you can tell as it's in between keys.

How can you tell with those drums and that guitar sound? I thought the version matedog posted he said it was pitch shifted.

If it was just the vocal sped up it would still be in a definite key. The fact that the song is in between keys heavily suggests the whole thing was sped up. When you have a synth on a track it will naturally be in concert pitch unless it has been vari-speeded on the dial.

Yeah that all makes sense. I was certain i read that the version matey put up on YouTube was pitch shifted. Maybe he just used that expression to mean speed adjustment. In your opinion by what percentage do you think it's sped up. The thing that I always found strange was the young girls voice at the start selling tea towels etc. Joe's voice just seemed normal but there are times over the years where his voice has that chipmunk feel to it a strange inflection. The GEER demos ran way too fast but even slowed down to something resembling the correct speed Joe still has that odd sound to his voice.

Matey will probably explain better but I think he adjusted the pitch of the vocal whilst keeping the speed of the song the same. It was basically using modern technology to achieve Bernie's vision of the song without compromising Joe's vocal..

So therefore mateys version still runs at the wrong speed?

[Heston]

How can you tell with those drums and that guitar sound? I thought the version matedog posted he said it was pitch shifted.

If it was just the vocal sped up it would still be in a definite key. The fact that the song is in between keys heavily suggests the whole thing was sped up. When you have a synth on a track it will naturally be in concert pitch unless it has been vari-speeded on the dial.

Yeah that all makes sense. I was certain i read that the version matey put up on YouTube was pitch shifted. Maybe he just used that expression to mean speed adjustment. In your opinion by what percentage do you think it's sped up. The thing that I always found strange was the young girls voice at the start selling tea towels etc. Joe's voice just seemed normal but there are times over the years where his voice has that chipmunk feel to it a strange inflection. The GEER demos ran way too fast but even slowed down to something resembling the correct speed Joe still has that odd sound to his voice.

Matey will probably explain better but I think he adjusted the pitch of the vocal whilst keeping the speed of the song the same. It was basically using modern technology to achieve Bernie's vision of the song without compromising Joe's vocal..

So therefore mateys version still runs at the wrong speed?

It's hard to explain but I think he pitch adjusted the whole song, putting it back to as it was originally recorded. He then used digital technology to speed it up without adjusting the pitch, therefore satisfying Bernie's vision for the song without chipmunking the vocals. Does that make sense?

[Marky Dread]

If it was just the vocal sped up it would still be in a definite key. The fact that the song is in between keys heavily suggests the whole thing was sped up. When you have a synth on a track it will naturally be in concert pitch unless it has been vari-speeded on the dial.

Yeah that all makes sense. I was certain i read that the version matey put up on YouTube was pitch shifted. Maybe he just used that expression to mean speed adjustment. In your opinion by what percentage do you think it's sped up. The thing that I always found strange was the young girls voice at the start selling tea towels etc. Joe's voice just seemed normal but there are times over the years where his voice has that chipmunk feel to it a strange inflection. The GEER demos ran way too fast but even slowed down to something resembling the correct speed Joe still has that odd sound to his voice.

Matey will probably explain better but I think he adjusted the pitch of the vocal whilst keeping the speed of the song the same. It was basically using modern technology to achieve Bernie's vision of the song without compromising Joe's vocal..

So therefore mateys version still runs at the wrong speed?

It's hard to explain but I think he pitch adjusted the whole song, putting it back to as it was originally recorded. He then used digital technology to speed it up without adjusting the pitch, therefore satisfying Bernie's vision for the song without chipmunking the vocals. Does that make sense?

Umm not really mate. It runs too fast or it doesnt. I dont know how you pitch shift the whole song without slowing down or speeding up everything. He slowed it down to what is considered it's correct speed then miraculously sped it up without making it faster. Surely the only way this could occurs is if you had an isolated vocal take and the instrumental backing as another separate track. To my knowledge they dont exist.

[Heston]

Yeah that all makes sense. I was certain i read that the version matey put up on YouTube was pitch shifted. Maybe he just used that expression to mean speed adjustment. In your opinion by what percentage do you think it's sped up. The thing that I always found strange was the young girls voice at the start selling tea towels etc. Joe's voice just seemed normal but there are times over the years where his voice has that chipmunk feel to it a strange inflection. The GEER demos ran way too fast but even slowed down to something resembling the correct speed Joe still has that odd sound to his voice.

Matey will probably explain better but I think he adjusted the pitch of the vocal whilst keeping the speed of the song the same. It was basically using modern technology to achieve Bernie's vision of the song without compromising Joe's vocal..

So therefore mateys version still runs at the wrong speed?

It's hard to explain but I think he pitch adjusted the whole song, putting it back to as it was originally recorded. He then used digital technology to speed it up without adjusting the pitch, therefore satisfying Bernie's vision for the song without chipmunking the vocals. Does that make sense?

Umm not really mate. It runs too fast or it doesnt. I dont know how you pitch shift the whole song without slowing down or speeding up everything. He slowed it down to what is considered it's correct speed then miraculously sped it up without making it faster. Surely the only way this could occurs is if you had an isolated vocal take and the instrumental backing as another separate track. To my knowledge they dont exist.

Imagine Bernie with the song in its originally recorded state. He wants it to be a bit faster so he speeds the tape up, giving Joe the chipmunk sound. Now imagine Matey with the song in its originally recorded state and he speeds it up digitally, which doesn't affect pitch. That is the difference. Andrew may correct me.