They're not as far apart as you imply. I think Movers and Shakers is a really great tune, those lyrics are just too suspect though. Sounds like a Tory manifesto in places.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:10pmIf anyone is purposely voting for Three Card Trick to go, I'd love to hear your insane explanation.
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There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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I really don't know how Clash fans can dismiss this song so easily. Yeah, the drum machine is a bit shit but this was 1985 and most of them forgave BAD.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:25pmYeah. Another look at that tracklist later, it easily is. Strummer would catch fire lyrically again in time for Upping St.Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:23pmAll of it.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:21pmI'll defend Three Card Trick as a pretty great Joe Strummer song. Better than nearly all of Earthquake Weather.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:17pmThey're both shitty songs so I flipped a coin. Besides, whichever one "won" would have the distinction of being the first to get the axe in the finals.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:10pmIf anyone is purposely voting for Three Card Trick to go, I'd love to hear your insane explanation.
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Patriots of the wasteland torching two hundred years
Dragging my spirit back into the dungeon again
Bring back crucification cry the moral death's head legion
Using steel nails manufactured by the slaves in Asia
You won't fall for that law and order is a baton in the rib
You won't fall for that just like your mummy and your daddy did
Blood inside a fountain pen wrote you out of life again
Who knows any better than to kick and scratch under English weather
From a chain gang to the mill.
The mill that sits on top of the hill
The fog drowned towns arr gonna have to fade
The wrong side of the a scissor blade
You won't fall for that law and order is a baton in the rib
You won't fall for that just like your mummy and your daddy did
I'll eat my hat I'm gonna be sick
They own the pack while we play the three card trick
Don't you remember the place
Where we hid the ace?
Yeah not thick but slick
Now we all gotta play the three card trick
Dragging my spirit back into the dungeon again
Bring back crucification cry the moral death's head legion
Using steel nails manufactured by the slaves in Asia
You won't fall for that law and order is a baton in the rib
You won't fall for that just like your mummy and your daddy did
Blood inside a fountain pen wrote you out of life again
Who knows any better than to kick and scratch under English weather
From a chain gang to the mill.
The mill that sits on top of the hill
The fog drowned towns arr gonna have to fade
The wrong side of the a scissor blade
You won't fall for that law and order is a baton in the rib
You won't fall for that just like your mummy and your daddy did
I'll eat my hat I'm gonna be sick
They own the pack while we play the three card trick
Don't you remember the place
Where we hid the ace?
Yeah not thick but slick
Now we all gotta play the three card trick
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Still as relevant today, sadly.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:31pmPatriots of the wasteland torching two hundred years
Dragging my spirit back into the dungeon again
Bring back crucification cry the moral death's head legion
Using steel nails manufactured by the slaves in Asia
You won't fall for that law and order is a baton in the rib
You won't fall for that just like your mummy and your daddy did
Blood inside a fountain pen wrote you out of life again
Who knows any better than to kick and scratch under English weather
From a chain gang to the mill.
The mill that sits on top of the hill
The fog drowned towns arr gonna have to fade
The wrong side of the a scissor blade
You won't fall for that law and order is a baton in the rib
You won't fall for that just like your mummy and your daddy did
I'll eat my hat I'm gonna be sick
They own the pack while we play the three card trick
Don't you remember the place
Where we hid the ace?
Yeah not thick but slick
Now we all gotta play the three card trick
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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The efforts to find good in CTC is both admirable and loopy as hell. It just sustains Bernie's delusion of redemption.
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Three Card Trick has great lyrics (inspired by vital contemporary culture) a cool, catchy ska tune, and the least objectionable production on the album. Yes, that last is only a tallish baby, but I'll stand up for it as a good Joe song.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:33pmThe efforts to find good in CTC is both admirable and loopy as hell. It just sustains Bernie's delusion of redemption.
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Three Card trick is an objectively good song that manages to almost transcend the production into great. It was also fun live and I have no idea why anyone would lump it in with dreck like Dictator and Fingerpoppin’Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:29pmI really don't know how Clash fans can dismiss this song so easily. Yeah, the drum machine is a bit shit but this was 1985 and most of them forgave BAD.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:25pmYeah. Another look at that tracklist later, it easily is. Strummer would catch fire lyrically again in time for Upping St.Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:23pmAll of it.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:21pmI'll defend Three Card Trick as a pretty great Joe Strummer song. Better than nearly all of Earthquake Weather.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:17pm
They're both shitty songs so I flipped a coin. Besides, whichever one "won" would have the distinction of being the first to get the axe in the finals.
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But...but...the only good song on Cut the Crap was This Is England.Wolter wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:39pmThree Card trick is an objectively good song that manages to almost transcend the production into great. It was also fun live and I have no idea why anyone would lump it in with dreck like Dictator and Fingerpoppin’Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:29pmI really don't know how Clash fans can dismiss this song so easily. Yeah, the drum machine is a bit shit but this was 1985 and most of them forgave BAD.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:25pmYeah. Another look at that tracklist later, it easily is. Strummer would catch fire lyrically again in time for Upping St.Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:23pmAll of it.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:21pm
I'll defend Three Card Trick as a pretty great Joe Strummer song. Better than nearly all of Earthquake Weather.
Joe would be turning in his grave.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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I have never been prouder of this board than when it put TIE in the correct third place.Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:49pmBut...but...the only good song on Cut the Crap was This Is England.Wolter wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:39pmThree Card trick is an objectively good song that manages to almost transcend the production into great. It was also fun live and I have no idea why anyone would lump it in with dreck like Dictator and Fingerpoppin’Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:29pmI really don't know how Clash fans can dismiss this song so easily. Yeah, the drum machine is a bit shit but this was 1985 and most of them forgave BAD.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:25pmYeah. Another look at that tracklist later, it easily is. Strummer would catch fire lyrically again in time for Upping St.
Joe would be turning in his grave.
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It's strange but I've never seen Movers and Shakers get any traction on this board before, its place in the final seems to have come out of nowhere. Or maybe it was a product of random voting by the disinterested.Wolter wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 7:01pmI have never been prouder of this board than when it put TIE in the correct third place.Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:49pmBut...but...the only good song on Cut the Crap was This Is England.Wolter wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:39pmThree Card trick is an objectively good song that manages to almost transcend the production into great. It was also fun live and I have no idea why anyone would lump it in with dreck like Dictator and Fingerpoppin’Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:29pmI really don't know how Clash fans can dismiss this song so easily. Yeah, the drum machine is a bit shit but this was 1985 and most of them forgave BAD.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:25pm
Yeah. Another look at that tracklist later, it easily is. Strummer would catch fire lyrically again in time for Upping St.
Joe would be turning in his grave.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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Tallest midget syndrome on side one, which is a lot patchier than the mostly pretty strong side two. For my part, I think I probably preferred We Are The Clash or Dirty Punk, but Movers and Shakers ain't terrible.
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There was nothing to forgive BAD for. They were not remotely trying to be The Clash. Whereas The Clash using a drum machine instead of the very competent drummer they had was inexcusable. The track is good and worked well live in the rockier form and works well with the ska feel on the album but that drum sound is and always will be shite.Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:29pmI really don't know how Clash fans can dismiss this song so easily. Yeah, the drum machine is a bit shit but this was 1985 and most of them forgave BAD.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:25pmYeah. Another look at that tracklist later, it easily is. Strummer would catch fire lyrically again in time for Upping St.Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:23pmAll of it.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:21pmI'll defend Three Card Trick as a pretty great Joe Strummer song. Better than nearly all of Earthquake Weather.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:17pm
They're both shitty songs so I flipped a coin. Besides, whichever one "won" would have the distinction of being the first to get the axe in the finals.
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Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
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Yeah mate, was just making a point about narrow-minded people. My post even mentions that the drum machine was shit, so agree with you there!Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 7:44pmThere was nothing to forgive BAD for. They were not remotely trying to be The Clash. Whereas The Clash using a drum machine instead of the very competent drummer they had was inexcusable. The track is good and worked well live in the rockier form and works well with the ska feel on the album but that drum sound is and always will be shite.Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:29pmI really don't know how Clash fans can dismiss this song so easily. Yeah, the drum machine is a bit shit but this was 1985 and most of them forgave BAD.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:25pmYeah. Another look at that tracklist later, it easily is. Strummer would catch fire lyrically again in time for Upping St.Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:23pmAll of it.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:21pm
I'll defend Three Card Trick as a pretty great Joe Strummer song. Better than nearly all of Earthquake Weather.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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The only reason I ever defend CtC is because of what it could've been and not what it is. I hate the production if you can even call it that and the mix is so subpar for a premiere band it's simply laughable. But you can hear there's still something there. They really should of gone back in and rerecorded it their way. This would've been possible but no they let fucking Bernie win.Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 7:52pmYeah mate, was just making a point about narrow-minded people. My post even mentions that the drum machine was shit, so agree with you there!Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 7:44pmThere was nothing to forgive BAD for. They were not remotely trying to be The Clash. Whereas The Clash using a drum machine instead of the very competent drummer they had was inexcusable. The track is good and worked well live in the rockier form and works well with the ska feel on the album but that drum sound is and always will be shite.Heston wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:29pmI really don't know how Clash fans can dismiss this song so easily. Yeah, the drum machine is a bit shit but this was 1985 and most of them forgave BAD.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 6:25pmYeah. Another look at that tracklist later, it easily is. Strummer would catch fire lyrically again in time for Upping St.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
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I still suspect sabotage!Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 7:57pmthe mix is so subpar for a premiere band it's simply laughable
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board