ROUND 13 - London Calling - Side Four

[WestwayKid]

Voted off: Revolution Rock

[Heston]

Train In Vain is perfect. I'm Not Down is great but has that stupid bit where it goes to 3/4 time. I thought I had a dodgy copy when I first heard it.

[Flex]

Voting off Train in Vain. Both great pop confections, but as documented last round the lyrics to TiV are a bit suspect these days while I'm Not Down is one of the all-time life affirming songs. It's gotten me through some dark lows in my life, and it's always there for me. Really great stuff.

[Dr. Medulla]

When people want to cite wimpy Mick songs, the two culprits are always SISOSIG and TIV. Don't support wimpiness.

[Flex]

An I'm Now Down vs Rudie Can't Fail showdown would be wild.

[Heston]

Voting off Train in Vain. Both great pop confections, but as documented last round the lyrics to TiV are a bit suspect these days while I'm Not Down is one of the all-time life affirming songs. It's gotten me through some dark lows in my life, and it's always there for me. Really great stuff.

Sorry but what is suspect about the lyrics?

[BitterTom]

TiV. I love it though IND is powerful powerful stuff, one of the best on the album.

[Flex]

Sorry but what is suspect about the lyrics?

Generally, part of a sexist legacy in pop music of blaming the woman for the guy being a shithead, and something that in this particular instance we know is wrong and just Mick feeling sorry for himself.

To be clear, I love the song. I don't want to make too big a thing of it, but it's a solid differentiator between the two cuts imho.

[matedog]

Train In Vain is perfect. I'm Not Down is great but has that stupid bit where it goes to 3/4 time. I thought I had a dodgy copy when I first heard it.

Not exactly 3/4, but the syncopated beat is a bit messy.

Also, isn't 4H on par with I'm Not Down? Why'd it get cut so early?

[Flex]

Also, isn't 4H on par with I'm Not Down? Why'd it get cut so early?

I'm Not Down is catchier with a better vocal and better lyrics?

[Heston]

Sorry but what is suspect about the lyrics?

Generally, part of a sexist legacy in pop music of blaming the woman for the guy being a shithead, and something that in this particular instance we know is wrong and just Mick feeling sorry for himself.

To be clear, I love the song. I don't want to make too big a thing of it, but it's a solid differentiator between the two cuts imho.

I think men and women have given as good as they've got against each other in song over the years. But yeah, best not go there.

[matedog]

Also, isn't 4H on par with I'm Not Down? Why'd it get cut so early?

I'm Not Down is catchier with a better vocal and better lyrics?

But 4H goes into the bridge before even the one minute mark and it goes on forever. It's their "Love In an Elevator."

[Heston]

Train In Vain is perfect. I'm Not Down is great but has that stupid bit where it goes to 3/4 time. I thought I had a dodgy copy when I first heard it.

Not exactly 3/4, but the syncopated beat is a bit messy.

I don't speak Drummer, but thought it went into a quick 3/4 beat, happy to be corrected.

[Flex]

But 4H goes into the bridge before even the one minute mark and it goes on forever. It's their "Love In an Elevator."

At 3:05 IND is the 5th shortest song on the album, at 2:55 4H is the 4th. I think both get it just about right on that score.

[Heston]

But 4H goes into the bridge before even the one minute mark and it goes on forever. It's their "Love In an Elevator."

At 3:05 IND is the 5th shortest song on the album, at 2:55 4H is the 4th. I think both get it just about right on that score.

I think he meant the bridge goes on forever...