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Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 6:51pm
by Heston
Double post
Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 6:53pm
by Heston
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:49pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:09pm
Just let this sink in you fucking heathens, Joe's finest moment as a lyricist...
A maudlin lament. Tough shit, workers, you lost. It's not about a way forward, but about mourning the past. I have very little time for that even from great bands.
Just cos there's not a song called "Something About Canada."
Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 6:58pm
by Dr. Medulla
Heston wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:53pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:49pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:09pm
Just let this sink in you fucking heathens, Joe's finest moment as a lyricist...
A maudlin lament. Tough shit, workers, you lost. It's not about a way forward, but about mourning the past. I have very little time for that even from great bands.
Just cos there's not a song called "Something About Canada."
You haven't been paying attention to me all these years if you think I've ever given the impression that I'm tolerant of maudlin sentiment or nationalism (especially Canadian nationalism).
Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 7:03pm
by Kory
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:58pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:53pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:49pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:09pm
Just let this sink in you fucking heathens, Joe's finest moment as a lyricist...
A maudlin lament. Tough shit, workers, you lost. It's not about a way forward, but about mourning the past. I have very little time for that even from great bands.
Just cos there's not a song called "Something About Canada."
You haven't been paying attention to me all these years if you think I've ever given the impression that I'm tolerant of maudlin sentiment or nationalism (especially Canadian nationalism).
Does it still count if they're playing characters rather than spouting their own beliefs though?
Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 7:04pm
by Heston
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:58pm
You haven't been paying attention to me all these years
That's correct.
Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 7:05pm
by Heston
Kory wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 7:03pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:58pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:53pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:49pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:09pm
Just let this sink in you fucking heathens, Joe's finest moment as a lyricist...
A maudlin lament. Tough shit, workers, you lost. It's not about a way forward, but about mourning the past. I have very little time for that even from great bands.
Just cos there's not a song called "Something About Canada."
You haven't been paying attention to me all these years if you think I've ever given the impression that I'm tolerant of maudlin sentiment or nationalism (especially Canadian nationalism).
Does it still count if they're playing characters rather than spouting their own beliefs though?
The song is not nationalist at all, the opposite in fact.
Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 7:50pm
by Dr. Medulla
Kory wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 7:03pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:58pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:53pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:49pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:09pm
Just let this sink in you fucking heathens, Joe's finest moment as a lyricist...
A maudlin lament. Tough shit, workers, you lost. It's not about a way forward, but about mourning the past. I have very little time for that even from great bands.
Just cos there's not a song called "Something About Canada."
You haven't been paying attention to me all these years if you think I've ever given the impression that I'm tolerant of maudlin sentiment or nationalism (especially Canadian nationalism).
Does it still count if they're playing characters rather than spouting their own beliefs though?
No, I know that. I was addressing the Canada part of the response. As in, I have no sentiment toward Canada or its past.
Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 7:50pm
by Dr. Medulla
Heston wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 7:04pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:58pm
You haven't been paying attention to me all these years
That's correct.
*snort* You love me and you know it.
Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 9:11pm
by Wolter
Where Doc hears maudlin sentiment, I hear barely simmering anger.
Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 9:17pm
by Dr. Medulla
Wolter wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 9:11pm
Where Doc hears maudlin sentiment, I hear barely simmering anger.
Bitter defeat, but defeat nonetheless. There is nothing forward-looking, nothing that suggests productive anger.
Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 9:29pm
by Wolter
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 9:17pm
Wolter wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 9:11pm
Where Doc hears maudlin sentiment, I hear barely simmering anger.
Bitter defeat, but defeat nonetheless. There is nothing forward-looking, nothing that suggests productive anger.
I read it as a scathing in-character retort to the happy nostalgia for a nonexistent golden age of the Thatcher era, but I guess you can interpret it how you wish.
Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 9:34pm
by Flex
Yeah, I'm with Wolt. I think it lands differently if it was released at a different time, but to me it sounds like an indictment of 80s thatcherism as much as anything.
Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 9:37pm
by Flex
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:58pm
You haven't been paying attention to me all these years if you think I've ever given the impression that I'm tolerant of maudlin sentiment or nationalism (especially Canadian nationalism).
*Furiously scribbles notes in doctor medulla journal*
Hmmm... does NOT like Canadian nationalism, I see.
*Furrows brow*
This will require DRAMATIC rewrites of my doctor medulla fursona fanfiction.
Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 9:47pm
by Dr. Medulla
Wolter wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 9:29pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 9:17pm
Wolter wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 9:11pm
Where Doc hears maudlin sentiment, I hear barely simmering anger.
Bitter defeat, but defeat nonetheless. There is nothing forward-looking, nothing that suggests productive anger.
I read it as a scathing in-character retort to the happy nostalgia for a nonexistent golden age of the Thatcher era, but I guess you can interpret it how you wish.
The thing is, I don't really disagree with you here. But I have to ask, “And …?” Calling bullshit on bullshit has value, but if there's no push forward, it's just wallowing in the long history of defeat and difficulty of the commoners. There is nothing here that calls for changing circumstances. I fail to see how that makes this a superior piece of work. It ain't wretched in the larger scheme of what popular music, then or now, offers up, but in the context of the Clash and their politics—which is what these votes limit us to—I fail to see what make this especially admirable. Joe did such better work.
Re: ROUND 18 - Sandinista! Semifinal
Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 9:48pm
by Dr. Medulla
Flex wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 9:37pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 6:58pm
You haven't been paying attention to me all these years if you think I've ever given the impression that I'm tolerant of maudlin sentiment or nationalism (especially Canadian nationalism).
*Furiously scribbles notes in doctor medulla journal*
Hmmm... does NOT like Canadian nationalism, I see.
*Furrows brow*
This will require DRAMATIC rewrites of my doctor medulla fursona fanfiction.
I don't think anyone's ever scribbled anything furiously about me. I feel blessed.