THE FINAL - Round 4

THE FINAL - Round 4

Poll ended at 07 May 2019, 8:37am

Safe European Home
13
50%
Rudie Can't Fail
2
8%
Straight To Hell
5
19%
Complete Control
6
23%
 
Total votes: 26

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Went with STH. 10 mins later it'll be completely different. Think my favourite here is SEH, be a shame if it heads out.

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Very, very begrudgingly voted for Complete Control. SEH is better produced and the lyrics are maybe a bit better (CC is excellent in the mythos of the Clash, and its lyrics are more adaptable, but there's something a touch insular and esoteric about fights with your label about singles releases... maybe). Still, I love that song to death. These are the toughest of the tough votes.
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Flex wrote:
06 May 2019, 1:31pm
Very, very begrudgingly voted for Complete Control. SEH is better produced and the lyrics are maybe a bit better (CC is excellent in the mythos of the Clash, and its lyrics are more adaptable, but there's something a touch insular and esoteric about fights with your label about singles releases... maybe). Still, I love that song to death. These are the toughest of the tough votes.
That would be my next choice for that reason. You could stretch out the lyrics' value into something about the rights and autonomy of labour, and it's certainly a more mature take than the Pistols' "EMI," but based on the songs that are remaining, complaining about your record company does knock it down a bit.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
06 May 2019, 1:53pm
That would be my next choice for that reason. You could stretch out the lyrics' value into something about the rights and autonomy of labour, and it's certainly a more mature take than the Pistols' "EMI," but based on the songs that are remaining, complaining about your record company does knock it down a bit.
Yeah, you can definitely find a universality in it (there's a reason the title was my blogging masthead when I did such things!) but it takes a bit of reaching on the listener's part.

I think this may end up a Straight to Hell vs Rudie showdown which will be a really weird matchup.
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Heston wrote:
06 May 2019, 11:05am
Love SEH but it has to go. I can see some of the points about CC but it is still tremendous in its studio version.
CC Poorly produced just like (WM) i HP. Fucking Clash fans. :rolleyes:
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Flex wrote:
06 May 2019, 1:56pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
06 May 2019, 1:53pm
That would be my next choice for that reason. You could stretch out the lyrics' value into something about the rights and autonomy of labour, and it's certainly a more mature take than the Pistols' "EMI," but based on the songs that are remaining, complaining about your record company does knock it down a bit.
Yeah, you can definitely find a universality in it (there's a reason the title was my blogging masthead when I did such things!) but it takes a bit of reaching on the listener's part.

I think this may end up a Straight to Hell vs Rudie showdown which will be a really weird matchup.
In which case I would reluctantly vote out STH because RCF is more representative. It has Joe AND Mick vocals, energy, more than two parts, and a reference to the 19 bus.
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Kory wrote:
06 May 2019, 3:02pm
Flex wrote:
06 May 2019, 1:56pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
06 May 2019, 1:53pm
That would be my next choice for that reason. You could stretch out the lyrics' value into something about the rights and autonomy of labour, and it's certainly a more mature take than the Pistols' "EMI," but based on the songs that are remaining, complaining about your record company does knock it down a bit.
Yeah, you can definitely find a universality in it (there's a reason the title was my blogging masthead when I did such things!) but it takes a bit of reaching on the listener's part.

I think this may end up a Straight to Hell vs Rudie showdown which will be a really weird matchup.
In which case I would reluctantly vote out STH because RCF is more representative. It has Joe AND Mick vocals, energy, more than two parts, and a reference to the 19 bus.
Yup, that's how I'd go, tho I'd probably stick with SEH if it made it that far (which it won't).
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
06 May 2019, 3:06pm
Kory wrote:
06 May 2019, 3:02pm
Flex wrote:
06 May 2019, 1:56pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
06 May 2019, 1:53pm
That would be my next choice for that reason. You could stretch out the lyrics' value into something about the rights and autonomy of labour, and it's certainly a more mature take than the Pistols' "EMI," but based on the songs that are remaining, complaining about your record company does knock it down a bit.
Yeah, you can definitely find a universality in it (there's a reason the title was my blogging masthead when I did such things!) but it takes a bit of reaching on the listener's part.

I think this may end up a Straight to Hell vs Rudie showdown which will be a really weird matchup.
In which case I would reluctantly vote out STH because RCF is more representative. It has Joe AND Mick vocals, energy, more than two parts, and a reference to the 19 bus.
Yup, that's how I'd go, tho I'd probably stick with SEH if it made it that far (which it won't).
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Anyone expect Rudie to get this far and beyond?

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BitterTom wrote:
06 May 2019, 4:38pm
Anyone expect Rudie to get this far and beyond?
I did, and glad to see my three favourite Clash songs are still in with a shout.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
06 May 2019, 4:58pm
BitterTom wrote:
06 May 2019, 4:38pm
Anyone expect Rudie to get this far and beyond?
I did, and glad to see my three favourite Clash songs are still in with a shout.
Top 3 material for me, didn't realise it was that popular! Shame my other 2 are nowhere to be seen

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BitterTom wrote:
06 May 2019, 5:09pm
Heston wrote:
06 May 2019, 4:58pm
BitterTom wrote:
06 May 2019, 4:38pm
Anyone expect Rudie to get this far and beyond?
I did, and glad to see my three favourite Clash songs are still in with a shout.
Top 3 material for me, didn't realise it was that popular! Shame my other 2 are nowhere to be seen
Just still a bit pissed off my number four track went out. I'll not tell you what is but send your answers on a SAE.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
06 May 2019, 5:21pm
BitterTom wrote:
06 May 2019, 5:09pm
Heston wrote:
06 May 2019, 4:58pm
BitterTom wrote:
06 May 2019, 4:38pm
Anyone expect Rudie to get this far and beyond?
I did, and glad to see my three favourite Clash songs are still in with a shout.
Top 3 material for me, didn't realise it was that popular! Shame my other 2 are nowhere to be seen
Just still a bit pissed off my number four track went out. I'll not tell you what is but send your answers on a SAE.
Just think of my dissent when LITS and White Man went out.

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BitterTom wrote:
06 May 2019, 4:38pm
Anyone expect Rudie to get this far and beyond?
It's great fun but again it's not as great as (White Man) in Hammersmith Palais.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
06 May 2019, 1:53pm
Flex wrote:
06 May 2019, 1:31pm
Very, very begrudgingly voted for Complete Control. SEH is better produced and the lyrics are maybe a bit better (CC is excellent in the mythos of the Clash, and its lyrics are more adaptable, but there's something a touch insular and esoteric about fights with your label about singles releases... maybe). Still, I love that song to death. These are the toughest of the tough votes.
That would be my next choice for that reason. You could stretch out the lyrics' value into something about the rights and autonomy of labour, and it's certainly a more mature take than the Pistols' "EMI," but based on the songs that are remaining, complaining about your record company does knock it down a bit.
This a little understated (Greil Marcus talking about The Story of the Clash), but I've always liked it nonetheless:

Given the shape of the package, the numbers from side three - all from 1977-78, when punk was still an idea seeking its field - send a nearly incomprehensible message of disruption, despair, and fear. Even less explainable, now, is that at the heart of this side is a performance that as pure sound stands as the greatest rock 'n' roll performance ever made. Oddly, it's about the Clash's career, at least on a literal, lyric-sheet level: their label-sanctioned protest single about the same label committing the atrocity of releasing an earlier single without the band's permission. So what. Yet from this flimsy soapbox they fly to a dramatization of autonomy, community, personal identity, and social contestation, and with a few scattered slogans ("THIS MEANS YOU!") make those usually abstract notions as real, as dangerous, as any moment governed by love or money, hate or war. Across more than 10 years of listening to "Complete Control", one reaction has always come first: disbelief. Disbelief that mere human beings could create such a sound, and disbelief that the world could remain the same when it's over.

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