At least we can say we tried.revbob wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 1:37pmIm a casual fan. Saw her live once and it was great. But yeah this compilation is gonna be a snooze fest if something isn't done soon.
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But not Heston.Mimi wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 2:16pmAt least we can say we tried.revbob wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 1:37pmIm a casual fan. Saw her live once and it was great. But yeah this compilation is gonna be a snooze fest if something isn't done soon.
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This game is demonstrating what we already knew—decisions made at board meetings suck.revbob wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 1:37pmIm a casual fan. Saw her live once and it was great. But yeah this compilation is gonna be a snooze fest if something isn't done soon.
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I'm not taking the bait. It's pretty obvious the more well known songs will rise to the top of the pile. And for my money, punk and new wave wasn't blessed with a massive amount of female talent. Hence the swing to disco etc.revbob wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 2:17pmBut not Heston.Mimi wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 2:16pmAt least we can say we tried.revbob wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 1:37pmIm a casual fan. Saw her live once and it was great. But yeah this compilation is gonna be a snooze fest if something isn't done soon.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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Again I come across...however I come across on here but Im not usually being too serious. Do I wish the song selection was different, no doubt.Heston wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 2:23pmI'm not taking the bait. It's pretty obvious the more well known songs will rise to the top of the pile. And for my money, punk and new wave wasn't blessed with a massive amount of female talent. Hence the swing to disco etc.
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I know you're not being serious...I'm just good-humoredly not taking the bait. My other points stand.revbob wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 2:34pmAgain I come across...however I come across on here but Im not usually being too serious. Do I wish the song selection was different, no doubt.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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Siouxsie & The Banshees made some amazing records. They (She) deserves to be on the comp.
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I have been working through The Creatures records recently. Right up there with the Banshees records in my view.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 5:01pmSiouxsie & The Banshees made some amazing records. They (She) deserves to be on the comp.
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Funny, it was just this past winter that, after finding a bunch of women's punk comps, I concluded that female bands generated so much more interesting music from the punk/post-punk eruption. I can't help but think that the punk/post-punk canon is primarily male because the record industry and critics are predominantly male.
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More so than another disco track? I dont think so.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 5:01pmSiouxsie & The Banshees made some amazing records. They (She) deserves to be on the comp.
And yeah Doc called out Heston's post of lack of female talent in punk and new wave. I certainly cant agree with this. I suppose they didnt chart well but that's not the same as talent nor good music. Ive always felt for my money the wealth of underexposed artists tend to be more interesting than most of the household names/chart toppers but yeah just my opinion.
Which brings us to what is the point of this exercise again?
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You call it interesting (I agree) but you don't call it great. I think that the problem being memorable only comes from being given a chance for airplay. Those records that did breakthrough like Siouxsie/Lene/Toyah etc were memorable and more pop orientated.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 5:16pmFunny, it was just this past winter that, after finding a bunch of women's punk comps, I concluded that female bands generated so much more interesting music from the punk/post-punk eruption. I can't help but think that the punk/post-punk canon is primarily male because the record industry and critics are predominantly male.
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For me yes definitely however this comp is a democracy (of sorts). Early on Matedog said something about making this comp just another punk/post punk thing. But that's my personal preference and that would deny some other fabulous genres.revbob wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 5:25pmMore so than another disco track? I dont think so.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 5:01pmSiouxsie & The Banshees made some amazing records. They (She) deserves to be on the comp.
It would've been a better idea to have gone with a best of a particular genre. That way we would've ended up with a more rounded result of a comp.
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Huh—good catch. Perhaps subconscious was working there with my word choice, Because, yeah, I'd hesitate to call a lot of that stuff great—which, to me, has a comparative element to it, ranking with others—but it's more appealing to me in many respects than, say, the first Clash album, because it's so often people who only ever put out one single or ep, and gave it all on that one shot. Its lo-fi, amateurish sound feels somehow more desperately sincere. And I realize I'm playing some kind of game here in my own mind. If the Clash only ever released "White Riot," it'd feel the same way. I don't mean it in a snobbish way, but there's something special that these women left behind this obscure recording and that was it, as opposed to those whose albums have been re-released over and over. I think I'm rambling here, but whenever I hear these lost songs (by women or men), I get that kind of buzz I did when I was sixteen and discovered the Clash.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 5:28pmYou call it interesting (I agree) but you don't call it great. I think that the problem being memorable only comes from being given a chance for airplay. Those records that did breakthrough like Siouxsie/Lene/Toyah etc were memorable and more pop orientated.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 5:16pmFunny, it was just this past winter that, after finding a bunch of women's punk comps, I concluded that female bands generated so much more interesting music from the punk/post-punk eruption. I can't help but think that the punk/post-punk canon is primarily male because the record industry and critics are predominantly male.
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What the male album exercise proved to me (though I probably would have guessed) is that there is no platonically perfect Track 5 out there that makes it a brilliant Track 5 to follow on from a platonically perfect Track 4. The male album (and I've listened to it a few times while working) sounds like garbage, with the transition from one song to another consistently jarring. Now, us playlist pedants could probably order the songs in such a way to cut down on that, but this whole thing is definitely more about the journey than the destination.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 5:33pmFor me yes definitely however this comp is a democracy (of sorts). Early on Matedog said something about making this comp just another punk/post punk thing. But that's my personal preference and that would deny some other fabulous genres.revbob wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 5:25pmMore so than another disco track? I dont think so.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 5:01pmSiouxsie & The Banshees made some amazing records. They (She) deserves to be on the comp.
It would've been a better idea to have gone with a best of a particular genre. That way we would've ended up with a more rounded result of a comp.
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Very nicely put. It's about the conversation and the snark—that's the community right there. The results are the souvenir of our long night out at the bar together. The results make no sense but it's what we cobbled together nonetheless.Silent Majority wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 5:49pmWhat the male album exercise proved to me (though I probably would have guessed) is that there is no platonically perfect Track 5 out there that makes it a brilliant Track 5 to follow on from a platonically perfect Track 4. The male album (and I've listened to it a few times while working) sounds like garbage, with the transition from one song to another consistently jarring. Now, us playlist pedants could probably order the songs in such a way to cut down on that, but this whole thing is definitely more about the journey than the destination.
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