Final Round 12

[Dr. Medulla]

As a joke! I mean, if these results actually caused a RS editor to have heart palpitations, sure, that'd be cool. But it's just us here, so giving the finger to those phantoms seems as lame as people who say they hate the Beatles because they're revered. Relying on those external cues are weird given that we're all supposed to be guided by individual preference and taste.

yeah, i was joking about the rolling stone thing too yesterday. slightly seriously for a moment, i think it's really lame that the assumption is anyone not voting for SFF is doing it out of some adolescent contrarianism and aren't "guided by individual preference and taste" as you say. I actually find it insulting.

Because for several rounds now, people have been talking about killing sacred cows, lame conventionality if we end up crowning SFF as champ, and the like! That's a statement not about the song's qualities but its status. If people want to make arguments about their choices irrespective of the song's status or how Boomer music writers regard it, cool, I'll respect that even if I disagree with the assessment. But citing status tells me something else altogether.

[Wolter]

I trust the board to pull this back in the remaining time we have left.

I threw in my vote (however reluctantly) to Revolution. One more gets a tie and re-run. Surely Crissdong can log in to help …

I have no alternative accounts despite what Gutterpoet, sorry, Wolter says.

If you look at that account, you can tell it's someone trolling me.

I thought that was Cretin's alt.

It might be!

[Wolter]

As a joke! I mean, if these results actually caused a RS editor to have heart palpitations, sure, that'd be cool. But it's just us here, so giving the finger to those phantoms seems as lame as people who say they hate the Beatles because they're revered. Relying on those external cues are weird given that we're all supposed to be guided by individual preference and taste.

yeah, i was joking about the rolling stone thing too yesterday. slightly seriously for a moment, i think it's really lame that the assumption is anyone not voting for SFF is doing it out of some adolescent contrarianism and aren't "guided by individual preference and taste" as you say. I actually find it insulting.

Because for several rounds now, people have been talking about killing sacred cows, lame conventionality if we end up crowning SFF as champ, and the like! That's a statement not about the song's qualities but its status. If people want to make arguments about their choices irrespective of the song's status or how Boomer music writers regard it, cool, I'll respect that even if I disagree with the assessment. But citing status tells me something else altogether.

I have repeatedly said SFF is a good song but not my favorite.

[Heston]

And they draw level...this could go to the wire..

[Kory]

As a joke! I mean, if these results actually caused a RS editor to have heart palpitations, sure, that'd be cool. But it's just us here, so giving the finger to those phantoms seems as lame as people who say they hate the Beatles because they're revered. Relying on those external cues are weird given that we're all supposed to be guided by individual preference and taste.

yeah, i was joking about the rolling stone thing too yesterday. slightly seriously for a moment, i think it's really lame that the assumption is anyone not voting for SFF is doing it out of some adolescent contrarianism and aren't "guided by individual preference and taste" as you say. I actually find it insulting.

Not to speak for Doc, but I get the impression he's thinking more about lurkers rather than anyone who's actively stated they're dumping SFF. Although it does strike me as slightly odd that it was previously losing to Revolution by so wide a margin when I got the impression that it was a lock for the end title, based on conversations during the YS days. That may have been my skimmed impression only, though.

[Kory]

And they draw level...this could go to the wire..

Now THERE'S a band. Wire!

[Wolter]

I think part of the problem is you can say you’re voting to get rid of SFF - AS I’VE SAID, A GOOD SONG - without acknowledging that it’s a status quo favorite choice whether it’s your favorite or not. It doesn’t mean giving a finger to the system so much as not agreeing with consensus.

[Dr. Medulla]

As a joke! I mean, if these results actually caused a RS editor to have heart palpitations, sure, that'd be cool. But it's just us here, so giving the finger to those phantoms seems as lame as people who say they hate the Beatles because they're revered. Relying on those external cues are weird given that we're all supposed to be guided by individual preference and taste.

yeah, i was joking about the rolling stone thing too yesterday. slightly seriously for a moment, i think it's really lame that the assumption is anyone not voting for SFF is doing it out of some adolescent contrarianism and aren't "guided by individual preference and taste" as you say. I actually find it insulting.

Because for several rounds now, people have been talking about killing sacred cows, lame conventionality if we end up crowning SFF as champ, and the like! That's a statement not about the song's qualities but its status. If people want to make arguments about their choices irrespective of the song's status or how Boomer music writers regard it, cool, I'll respect that even if I disagree with the assessment. But citing status tells me something else altogether.

I have repeatedly said SFF is a good song but not my favorite.

You've also made comments about lame conventionality if people support it. I mean, being perfectly clear, I don't think anybody here dislikes SFF or any of the songs that made the final cut (well, maybe Heston and HiaWG). I can't stress enough that I have zilcho problem with anyone deciding that, okay, among what's left, they lean this direction or that. We've all been voting against songs we love. But making comments about a song's status suggests there's something more "political" in the choice.

edit: Further, to be clear, I'm not seeking to be personal in any of this, and unreservedly apologize if it's being received that way.

[Dr. Medulla]

And they draw level...this could go to the wire..

Now THERE'S a band. Wire!

Be honest: Have you listened to their last album more than twice?

[Wolter]

This is sucking the joy out of this for me. I’m out. Have fun nitpicking this nonsense.

[Kory]

And they draw level...this could go to the wire..

Now THERE'S a band. Wire!

Be honest: Have you listened to their last album more than twice?

Not only twice, but THRICE!

Really thinking about it, I think it's actually been five times. It's a so-so album, carried mostly by "Oklahoma" and maybe a couple others. You seem to be in the spot that I was at when the self-titled album came out, realizing that we wouldn't be getting anything groundbreaking ever again. I may be misremembering but it seemed that you were more lenient on them around that time.

[Dr. Medulla]

And they draw level...this could go to the wire..

Now THERE'S a band. Wire!

Be honest: Have you listened to their last album more than twice?

Not only twice, but THRICE!

Really thinking about it, I think it's actually been five times.

This admission really undercuts your "no sleep because life is about living" argument.

It's a so-so album, carried mostly by "Oklahoma" and maybe a couple others. You seem to be in the spot that I was at when the self-titled album came out, realizing that we wouldn't be getting anything groundbreaking ever again. I may be misremembering but it seemed that you were more lenient on them around that time.

I do like that album, especially the noisier tracks like "Harpooned." Pair that record with Nocturnal Koreans, which was recorded at the same time, and it's a solid, if unspectacular collection. It seems more and more that it would have been a good place to stop. The non-Wire albums that Lewis and Simms have done demonstrate that there's still cool stuff in them, which kinda points in Newman's direction that he's in a Wire cul de sac. Yet their records still get generally positive reviews, which either means I'm just not their audience anymore (very possible) or that critics feel obliged to demonstrate their keen insight by praising Wire (where were they when Manscape came out?).