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Low Down Low wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 8:18pm
101Walterton wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 5:29pm
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Truth be told, i hated his football philosophy. But can't argue about his legacy or the joy he brought thousands of people. RIP.
The way his teams played or the fake Irish thing?
Both really. Hated seeing technically gifted players reduced to hoofball just to get results. No place for a footballing genius like Liam Brady etc. Never sat right with me. As did the granny rule stuff. But Jacks job was to deliver results and obviously never cared much for anybody's opinion on how he delivered them!
Yes fair play to him he did the best he could (? probably) with what he could get his hands on to work with.
It did open the door for people like Vinny Jones to play for Wales etc. but I presume they have tightened up on all that now.

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101Walterton wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 8:30pm
Low Down Low wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 8:18pm
101Walterton wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 5:29pm
Low Down Low wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 9:41am
Truth be told, i hated his football philosophy. But can't argue about his legacy or the joy he brought thousands of people. RIP.
The way his teams played or the fake Irish thing?
Both really. Hated seeing technically gifted players reduced to hoofball just to get results. No place for a footballing genius like Liam Brady etc. Never sat right with me. As did the granny rule stuff. But Jacks job was to deliver results and obviously never cared much for anybody's opinion on how he delivered them!
Yes fair play to him he did the best he could (? probably) with what he could get his hands on to work with.
It did open the door for people like Vinny Jones to play for Wales etc. but I presume they have tightened up on all that now.
Granny rule still pretty much in play as it was i think, but harder for countries like ireland to rely on it as the talent just isnt there. You need to develop and nurture young players as wales and even scotland, to their credit, are beginning to do again. I recall Vinnie spending a week in ireland trying to track his irish roots down, with a camera crew following him around. Embarrassing, a complete circus.

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Low Down Low wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 9:02pm
101Walterton wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 8:30pm
Low Down Low wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 8:18pm
101Walterton wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 5:29pm
Low Down Low wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 9:41am
Truth be told, i hated his football philosophy. But can't argue about his legacy or the joy he brought thousands of people. RIP.
The way his teams played or the fake Irish thing?
Both really. Hated seeing technically gifted players reduced to hoofball just to get results. No place for a footballing genius like Liam Brady etc. Never sat right with me. As did the granny rule stuff. But Jacks job was to deliver results and obviously never cared much for anybody's opinion on how he delivered them!
Yes fair play to him he did the best he could (? probably) with what he could get his hands on to work with.
It did open the door for people like Vinny Jones to play for Wales etc. but I presume they have tightened up on all that now.
Granny rule still pretty much in play as it was i think, but harder for countries like ireland to rely on it as the talent just isnt there. You need to develop and nurture young players as wales and even scotland, to their credit, are beginning to do again. I recall Vinnie spending a week in ireland trying to track his irish roots down, with a camera crew following him around. Embarrassing, a complete circus.
That is even more of an insult to Wales if they were Jones’ second choice (although you would think his name would be the clue).

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101Walterton wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 11:22pm
Low Down Low wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 9:02pm
101Walterton wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 8:30pm
Low Down Low wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 8:18pm
101Walterton wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 5:29pm


The way his teams played or the fake Irish thing?
Both really. Hated seeing technically gifted players reduced to hoofball just to get results. No place for a footballing genius like Liam Brady etc. Never sat right with me. As did the granny rule stuff. But Jacks job was to deliver results and obviously never cared much for anybody's opinion on how he delivered them!
Yes fair play to him he did the best he could (? probably) with what he could get his hands on to work with.
It did open the door for people like Vinny Jones to play for Wales etc. but I presume they have tightened up on all that now.
Granny rule still pretty much in play as it was i think, but harder for countries like ireland to rely on it as the talent just isnt there. You need to develop and nurture young players as wales and even scotland, to their credit, are beginning to do again. I recall Vinnie spending a week in ireland trying to track his irish roots down, with a camera crew following him around. Embarrassing, a complete circus.
That is even more of an insult to Wales if they were Jones’ second choice (although you would think his name would be the clue).
From the horse's mouth:

"Certainly, one of the proudest moments of my career was when I was called up to play for Wales, although it might have been the Republic of Ireland first!

Jack Charlton apparently wanted me and we scrambled around trying to find Nanny Harris’s birth certificate - she was born in Dublin. But everything had been destroyed in a fire - so it was left to my grandad Arthur Jones to come up trumps."

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In the grand IMCT tradition of Thread Drift, what would be the effect on the game if the offsides rule were eliminated in football?

I've never liked it, in large part because the calls are very apt to be blown, what with a linesman or referee running full speed whilst trying to triangulate offensive and defensive players, plus the ball's position.

What harm is there in allowing one or two offensive players to hang out near the goal?
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Spiff wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 8:19am
In the grand IMCT tradition of Thread Drift, what would be the effect on the game if the offsides rule were eliminated in football?

I've never liked it, in large part because the calls are very apt to be blown, what with a linesman or referee running full speed whilst trying to triangulate offensive and defensive players, plus the ball's position.

What harm is there in allowing one or two offensive players to hang out near the goal?
I think beating the offside trap remains a fundamental skill of the game but you could definitely look at ways of giving the attacking player a bit more of the advantage. I do remember Sepp Blatter proposing they ditch the rule completely but he was also advocating tighter shorts for female players so not sure anyone took him very seriously.

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Low Down Low wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 9:58am
Spiff wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 8:19am
In the grand IMCT tradition of Thread Drift, what would be the effect on the game if the offsides rule were eliminated in football?

I've never liked it, in large part because the calls are very apt to be blown, what with a linesman or referee running full speed whilst trying to triangulate offensive and defensive players, plus the ball's position.

What harm is there in allowing one or two offensive players to hang out near the goal?
I think beating the offside trap remains a fundamental skill of the game but you could definitely look at ways of giving the attacking player a bit more of the advantage. I do remember Sepp Blatter proposing they ditch the rule completely but he was also advocating tighter shorts for female players so not sure anyone took him very seriously.
No the offside rule has to stay although there are a couple of changes I would consider.
1) Get rid of this stupid ‘interfering with play’ rule. If you are offside you are offside. Problem is your marker still has to keep an eye on you which means you are interfering with play.
2) Move the offside line from halfway to halfway towards goal. Teams press so high now the game just gets too squashed. If you had players a further 25m forward it would create more space.

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101Walterton wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:12pm
Low Down Low wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 9:58am
Spiff wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 8:19am
In the grand IMCT tradition of Thread Drift, what would be the effect on the game if the offsides rule were eliminated in football?

I've never liked it, in large part because the calls are very apt to be blown, what with a linesman or referee running full speed whilst trying to triangulate offensive and defensive players, plus the ball's position.

What harm is there in allowing one or two offensive players to hang out near the goal?
I think beating the offside trap remains a fundamental skill of the game but you could definitely look at ways of giving the attacking player a bit more of the advantage. I do remember Sepp Blatter proposing they ditch the rule completely but he was also advocating tighter shorts for female players so not sure anyone took him very seriously.
No the offside rule has to stay although there are a couple of changes I would consider.
1) Get rid of this stupid ‘interfering with play’ rule. If you are offside you are offside. Problem is your marker still has to keep an eye on you which means you are interfering with play.
2) Move the offside line from halfway to halfway towards goal. Teams press so high now the game just gets too squashed. If you had players a further 25m forward it would create more space.
Two things I would like changed.

1. Go back to being able kick the ball back to the keeper and he can pick it up.

2. The keeper is not allowed out of the 18 yard box.
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Marky Dread wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:25pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:12pm
Low Down Low wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 9:58am
Spiff wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 8:19am
In the grand IMCT tradition of Thread Drift, what would be the effect on the game if the offsides rule were eliminated in football?

I've never liked it, in large part because the calls are very apt to be blown, what with a linesman or referee running full speed whilst trying to triangulate offensive and defensive players, plus the ball's position.

What harm is there in allowing one or two offensive players to hang out near the goal?
I think beating the offside trap remains a fundamental skill of the game but you could definitely look at ways of giving the attacking player a bit more of the advantage. I do remember Sepp Blatter proposing they ditch the rule completely but he was also advocating tighter shorts for female players so not sure anyone took him very seriously.
No the offside rule has to stay although there are a couple of changes I would consider.
1) Get rid of this stupid ‘interfering with play’ rule. If you are offside you are offside. Problem is your marker still has to keep an eye on you which means you are interfering with play.
2) Move the offside line from halfway to halfway towards goal. Teams press so high now the game just gets too squashed. If you had players a further 25m forward it would create more space.
Two things I would like changed.

1. Go back to being able kick the ball back to the keeper and he can pick it up.

2. The keeper is not allowed out of the 18 yard box.
1. Never. Go back and watch Denmark at Euro champs.

2. I can see merit in that one, bloody sweeper keepers

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101Walterton wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:29pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:25pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:12pm
Low Down Low wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 9:58am
Spiff wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 8:19am
In the grand IMCT tradition of Thread Drift, what would be the effect on the game if the offsides rule were eliminated in football?

I've never liked it, in large part because the calls are very apt to be blown, what with a linesman or referee running full speed whilst trying to triangulate offensive and defensive players, plus the ball's position.

What harm is there in allowing one or two offensive players to hang out near the goal?
I think beating the offside trap remains a fundamental skill of the game but you could definitely look at ways of giving the attacking player a bit more of the advantage. I do remember Sepp Blatter proposing they ditch the rule completely but he was also advocating tighter shorts for female players so not sure anyone took him very seriously.
No the offside rule has to stay although there are a couple of changes I would consider.
1) Get rid of this stupid ‘interfering with play’ rule. If you are offside you are offside. Problem is your marker still has to keep an eye on you which means you are interfering with play.
2) Move the offside line from halfway to halfway towards goal. Teams press so high now the game just gets too squashed. If you had players a further 25m forward it would create more space.
Two things I would like changed.

1. Go back to being able kick the ball back to the keeper and he can pick it up.

2. The keeper is not allowed out of the 18 yard box.
1. Never. Go back and watch Denmark at Euro champs.

2. I can see merit in that one, bloody sweeper keepers
I'm thinking more for the Premiere League where the rule rarely gets used. It eliminates all the stupidity of did he or didn't deliberately touch the ball and so on.

With the first one it would make the game more exciting when a quick ball is played out from a corner and the striker is running after the ball only to be met by the keeper 5 or 6 yards outside his box. We might get more goals also if the keeper has to stay in his 18 yard box. Some fun one on one's to watch.
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101Walterton wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:29pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:25pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:12pm
Low Down Low wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 9:58am
Spiff wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 8:19am
In the grand IMCT tradition of Thread Drift, what would be the effect on the game if the offsides rule were eliminated in football?

I've never liked it, in large part because the calls are very apt to be blown, what with a linesman or referee running full speed whilst trying to triangulate offensive and defensive players, plus the ball's position.

What harm is there in allowing one or two offensive players to hang out near the goal?
I think beating the offside trap remains a fundamental skill of the game but you could definitely look at ways of giving the attacking player a bit more of the advantage. I do remember Sepp Blatter proposing they ditch the rule completely but he was also advocating tighter shorts for female players so not sure anyone took him very seriously.
No the offside rule has to stay although there are a couple of changes I would consider.
1) Get rid of this stupid ‘interfering with play’ rule. If you are offside you are offside. Problem is your marker still has to keep an eye on you which means you are interfering with play.
2) Move the offside line from halfway to halfway towards goal. Teams press so high now the game just gets too squashed. If you had players a further 25m forward it would create more space.
Two things I would like changed.

1. Go back to being able kick the ball back to the keeper and he can pick it up.

2. The keeper is not allowed out of the 18 yard box.
1. Never. Go back and watch Denmark at Euro champs.

2. I can see merit in that one, bloody sweeper keepers
Yeah the keeper one is definitely something they could look at and i think moving the offside line further back has merit as well. Thats what i was alluding to when i mentioned the advantage for the attacking team.

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Marky Dread wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 5:00pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:29pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:25pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:12pm
Low Down Low wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 9:58am


I think beating the offside trap remains a fundamental skill of the game but you could definitely look at ways of giving the attacking player a bit more of the advantage. I do remember Sepp Blatter proposing they ditch the rule completely but he was also advocating tighter shorts for female players so not sure anyone took him very seriously.
No the offside rule has to stay although there are a couple of changes I would consider.
1) Get rid of this stupid ‘interfering with play’ rule. If you are offside you are offside. Problem is your marker still has to keep an eye on you which means you are interfering with play.
2) Move the offside line from halfway to halfway towards goal. Teams press so high now the game just gets too squashed. If you had players a further 25m forward it would create more space.
Two things I would like changed.

1. Go back to being able kick the ball back to the keeper and he can pick it up.

2. The keeper is not allowed out of the 18 yard box.
1. Never. Go back and watch Denmark at Euro champs.

2. I can see merit in that one, bloody sweeper keepers
I'm thinking more for the Premiere League where the rule rarely gets used. It eliminates all the stupidity of did he or didn't deliberately touch the ball and so on.

With the first one it would make the game more exciting when a quick ball is played out from a corner and the striker is running after the ball only to be met by the keeper 5 or 6 yards outside his box. We might get more goals also if the keeper has to stay in his 18 yard box. Some fun one on one's to watch.

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101Walterton wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 6:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 5:00pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:29pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:25pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 4:12pm


No the offside rule has to stay although there are a couple of changes I would consider.
1) Get rid of this stupid ‘interfering with play’ rule. If you are offside you are offside. Problem is your marker still has to keep an eye on you which means you are interfering with play.
2) Move the offside line from halfway to halfway towards goal. Teams press so high now the game just gets too squashed. If you had players a further 25m forward it would create more space.
Two things I would like changed.

1. Go back to being able kick the ball back to the keeper and he can pick it up.

2. The keeper is not allowed out of the 18 yard box.
1. Never. Go back and watch Denmark at Euro champs.

2. I can see merit in that one, bloody sweeper keepers
I'm thinking more for the Premiere League where the rule rarely gets used. It eliminates all the stupidity of did he or didn't deliberately touch the ball and so on.

With the first one it would make the game more exciting when a quick ball is played out from a corner and the striker is running after the ball only to be met by the keeper 5 or 6 yards outside his box. We might get more goals also if the keeper has to stay in his 18 yard box. Some fun one on one's to watch.
Yes remember it well but you can easily over come that with a wasting time rule.
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Grant Imahara, host of 'MythBusters' and 'White Rabbit Project,' has died. @49.

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revbob wrote:
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Grant Imahara, host of 'MythBusters' and 'White Rabbit Project,' has died. @49.
Oh no I loved that show I used to watch with my kids. He was great.

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