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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by 101Walterton » 19 Feb 2019, 5:19pm

Low Down Low wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 3:59pm
101Walterton wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 3:01pm
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Excellent post 101. Agree on nearly everything there. I think a lot of the football media have a vested interest in making the game seem more complex and sophisticated than it is and can’t blame them in one way as writing the same article over and over about Jose Mourinho must get deadly tiresome after a while.

For me the last significant tactical innovation was tiki taka which some loved and others found boring. As for klopps “gegenpressing” that’s been in football for decades. In his own way Jack Charlton did it with ireland in the 1980s and it was regarded as a caveman approach at the time.
Tiki Taka is just a variant of Ajax’s ‘total football’ that Cruyff took to Barcelona. Guardiola just expanded on it to make the most of the technically gifted players he had that weren’t physically imposing (Xavi and Iniesta) but keep possession.
Yes that’s certainly true. I’d still say it was innovative on lots of levels though and if you were being pedantic about it you’d say total football was a variant of styles that had preceded it too. The burnley team of the 60s was supposedly a forerunner of Ajax 70s team but I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of that!
Exactly, watch Leeds in early 70’s. Kill you to get the ball then not give it back. They are all just ways of playing to get the most out of the players you have not reinventing the wheel.

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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by Low Down Low » 19 Feb 2019, 5:38pm

101Walterton wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 5:19pm
Low Down Low wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 3:59pm
101Walterton wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 3:01pm
Low Down Low wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 9:12am
Excellent post 101. Agree on nearly everything there. I think a lot of the football media have a vested interest in making the game seem more complex and sophisticated than it is and can’t blame them in one way as writing the same article over and over about Jose Mourinho must get deadly tiresome after a while.

For me the last significant tactical innovation was tiki taka which some loved and others found boring. As for klopps “gegenpressing” that’s been in football for decades. In his own way Jack Charlton did it with ireland in the 1980s and it was regarded as a caveman approach at the time.
Tiki Taka is just a variant of Ajax’s ‘total football’ that Cruyff took to Barcelona. Guardiola just expanded on it to make the most of the technically gifted players he had that weren’t physically imposing (Xavi and Iniesta) but keep possession.
Yes that’s certainly true. I’d still say it was innovative on lots of levels though and if you were being pedantic about it you’d say total football was a variant of styles that had preceded it too. The burnley team of the 60s was supposedly a forerunner of Ajax 70s team but I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of that!
Exactly, watch Leeds in early 70’s. Kill you to get the ball then not give it back. They are all just ways of playing to get the most out of the players you have not reinventing the wheel.
Ah yes, fond memories. Mighty/dirty (delete as appropriate) Leeds of the 70s and their 5000 passes against the poor hapless saints. Total underachievers but a great team nonetheless.

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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by Heston » 21 Feb 2019, 10:11am

Low Down Low wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 5:38pm
101Walterton wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 5:19pm
Low Down Low wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 3:59pm
101Walterton wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 3:01pm
Low Down Low wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 9:12am
Excellent post 101. Agree on nearly everything there. I think a lot of the football media have a vested interest in making the game seem more complex and sophisticated than it is and can’t blame them in one way as writing the same article over and over about Jose Mourinho must get deadly tiresome after a while.

For me the last significant tactical innovation was tiki taka which some loved and others found boring. As for klopps “gegenpressing” that’s been in football for decades. In his own way Jack Charlton did it with ireland in the 1980s and it was regarded as a caveman approach at the time.
Tiki Taka is just a variant of Ajax’s ‘total football’ that Cruyff took to Barcelona. Guardiola just expanded on it to make the most of the technically gifted players he had that weren’t physically imposing (Xavi and Iniesta) but keep possession.
Yes that’s certainly true. I’d still say it was innovative on lots of levels though and if you were being pedantic about it you’d say total football was a variant of styles that had preceded it too. The burnley team of the 60s was supposedly a forerunner of Ajax 70s team but I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of that!
Exactly, watch Leeds in early 70’s. Kill you to get the ball then not give it back. They are all just ways of playing to get the most out of the players you have not reinventing the wheel.
Ah yes, fond memories. Mighty/dirty (delete as appropriate) Leeds of the 70s and their 5000 passes against the poor hapless saints. Total underachievers but a great team nonetheless.
Until they met the mighty Sunderland in 1973.
I just polished off some Low Country shrimp & grits and a mess of collards. That's a hell of a strain on the arm.

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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by Marky Dread » 21 Feb 2019, 10:28am

Heston wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:11am
Low Down Low wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 5:38pm
101Walterton wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 5:19pm
Low Down Low wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 3:59pm
101Walterton wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 3:01pm


Tiki Taka is just a variant of Ajax’s ‘total football’ that Cruyff took to Barcelona. Guardiola just expanded on it to make the most of the technically gifted players he had that weren’t physically imposing (Xavi and Iniesta) but keep possession.
Yes that’s certainly true. I’d still say it was innovative on lots of levels though and if you were being pedantic about it you’d say total football was a variant of styles that had preceded it too. The burnley team of the 60s was supposedly a forerunner of Ajax 70s team but I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of that!
Exactly, watch Leeds in early 70’s. Kill you to get the ball then not give it back. They are all just ways of playing to get the most out of the players you have not reinventing the wheel.
Ah yes, fond memories. Mighty/dirty (delete as appropriate) Leeds of the 70s and their 5000 passes against the poor hapless saints. Total underachievers but a great team nonetheless.
Until they met the mighty Sunderland in 1973.
I'll never get bored of watching this.

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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by Marky Dread » 21 Feb 2019, 10:34am

Marky Dread wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:28am
Heston wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:11am
Low Down Low wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 5:38pm
101Walterton wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 5:19pm
Low Down Low wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 3:59pm


Yes that’s certainly true. I’d still say it was innovative on lots of levels though and if you were being pedantic about it you’d say total football was a variant of styles that had preceded it too. The burnley team of the 60s was supposedly a forerunner of Ajax 70s team but I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of that!
Exactly, watch Leeds in early 70’s. Kill you to get the ball then not give it back. They are all just ways of playing to get the most out of the players you have not reinventing the wheel.
Ah yes, fond memories. Mighty/dirty (delete as appropriate) Leeds of the 70s and their 5000 passes against the poor hapless saints. Total underachievers but a great team nonetheless.
Until they met the mighty Sunderland in 1973.
I'll never get bored of watching this.

Let's not forget the great 2-1 win against Arsenal in the semis.
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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by Heston » 21 Feb 2019, 10:37am

Marky Dread wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:28am
Heston wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:11am
Low Down Low wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 5:38pm
101Walterton wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 5:19pm
Low Down Low wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 3:59pm


Yes that’s certainly true. I’d still say it was innovative on lots of levels though and if you were being pedantic about it you’d say total football was a variant of styles that had preceded it too. The burnley team of the 60s was supposedly a forerunner of Ajax 70s team but I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of that!
Exactly, watch Leeds in early 70’s. Kill you to get the ball then not give it back. They are all just ways of playing to get the most out of the players you have not reinventing the wheel.
Ah yes, fond memories. Mighty/dirty (delete as appropriate) Leeds of the 70s and their 5000 passes against the poor hapless saints. Total underachievers but a great team nonetheless.
Until they met the mighty Sunderland in 1973.
I'll never get bored of watching this.

Me neither!
I just polished off some Low Country shrimp & grits and a mess of collards. That's a hell of a strain on the arm.

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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by Low Down Low » 22 Feb 2019, 5:03am

Heston wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:37am
Marky Dread wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:28am
Heston wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:11am
Low Down Low wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 5:38pm
101Walterton wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 5:19pm


Exactly, watch Leeds in early 70’s. Kill you to get the ball then not give it back. They are all just ways of playing to get the most out of the players you have not reinventing the wheel.
Ah yes, fond memories. Mighty/dirty (delete as appropriate) Leeds of the 70s and their 5000 passes against the poor hapless saints. Total underachievers but a great team nonetheless.
Until they met the mighty Sunderland in 1973.
I'll never get bored of watching this.

Me neither!
That game was a little before my time but it’s hard to explain to kids now just how special the fa cup was back then. Along with the grand national they were probably the two biggest sporting days of the year for me. They churn out these cliches nowadays about the romance of the cup but they’re pretty meaningless far as I’m concerned. The year United sat it out was just about the last blow for a once mighty institution imo.

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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by Heston » 22 Feb 2019, 5:31am

Low Down Low wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 5:03am
Heston wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:37am
Marky Dread wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:28am
Heston wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:11am
Low Down Low wrote:
19 Feb 2019, 5:38pm


Ah yes, fond memories. Mighty/dirty (delete as appropriate) Leeds of the 70s and their 5000 passes against the poor hapless saints. Total underachievers but a great team nonetheless.
Until they met the mighty Sunderland in 1973.
I'll never get bored of watching this.

Me neither!
That game was a little before my time but it’s hard to explain to kids now just how special the fa cup was back then. Along with the grand national they were probably the two biggest sporting days of the year for me. They churn out these cliches nowadays about the romance of the cup but they’re pretty meaningless far as I’m concerned. The year United sat it out was just about the last blow for a once mighty institution imo.
Couldn't agree more.
I just polished off some Low Country shrimp & grits and a mess of collards. That's a hell of a strain on the arm.

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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by 101Walterton » 22 Feb 2019, 6:09am

Heston wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 5:31am
Low Down Low wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 5:03am
Heston wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:37am
Marky Dread wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:28am
Heston wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:11am


Until they met the mighty Sunderland in 1973.
I'll never get bored of watching this.

Me neither!
That game was a little before my time but it’s hard to explain to kids now just how special the fa cup was back then. Along with the grand national they were probably the two biggest sporting days of the year for me. They churn out these cliches nowadays about the romance of the cup but they’re pretty meaningless far as I’m concerned. The year United sat it out was just about the last blow for a once mighty institution imo.
Couldn't agree more.
Yep cup final day was a very special day. I may be wrong but I remember all day leading up to kick off was about the final, Saturday morning TV, It’s A Knockout, football quizzes??
1976 cup final I cried my eyes out 😢

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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by Low Down Low » 22 Feb 2019, 6:56am

101Walterton wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 6:09am
Heston wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 5:31am
Low Down Low wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 5:03am
Heston wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:37am
Marky Dread wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:28am


I'll never get bored of watching this.

Me neither!
That game was a little before my time but it’s hard to explain to kids now just how special the fa cup was back then. Along with the grand national they were probably the two biggest sporting days of the year for me. They churn out these cliches nowadays about the romance of the cup but they’re pretty meaningless far as I’m concerned. The year United sat it out was just about the last blow for a once mighty institution imo.
Couldn't agree more.
Yep cup final day was a very special day. I may be wrong but I remember all day leading up to kick off was about the final, Saturday morning TV, It’s A Knockout, football quizzes??
1976 cup final I cried my eyes out 😢
Yeah the build up began early morning and it seemed the whole day revolved around the cup final. First i really recall vividly is 79, not even sure it was a great match but epic finish. Liam Brady was a football genius!

My personal favorite FA Cup memory is Leeds v Arsenal 3rd round 1990/91 season. Went to two replays, 3 epic encounters that were full blooded wars, no players rested for important league matches, just all out gut bursting effort to get to the next round. A memory of its time.

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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by Marky Dread » 22 Feb 2019, 6:58am

101Walterton wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 6:09am
Heston wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 5:31am
Low Down Low wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 5:03am
Heston wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:37am
Marky Dread wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:28am


I'll never get bored of watching this.

Me neither!
That game was a little before my time but it’s hard to explain to kids now just how special the fa cup was back then. Along with the grand national they were probably the two biggest sporting days of the year for me. They churn out these cliches nowadays about the romance of the cup but they’re pretty meaningless far as I’m concerned. The year United sat it out was just about the last blow for a once mighty institution imo.
Couldn't agree more.
Yep cup final day was a very special day. I may be wrong but I remember all day leading up to kick off was about the final, Saturday morning TV, It’s A Knockout, football quizzes??
1976 cup final I cried my eyes out 😢
Saints preserve us! :mrgreen: We were just waiting for the ultimate F.A. Cup final. In 1977 Wally & Marky went to heaven. ;)
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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by Heston » 22 Feb 2019, 7:15am

1977 is the first final I can remember but the 1979 final was the one that really stuck in my mind as a kid. Alan Sunderland's goal was replayed by me for 3 hours afterwards kicking a ball against the wall outside my house. The 81 final replay was another memorable one. Ricky Villa!
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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by Marky Dread » 22 Feb 2019, 12:16pm

Heston wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 7:15am
1977 is the first final I can remember but the 1979 final was the one that really stuck in my mind as a kid. Alan Sunderland's goal was replayed by me for 3 hours afterwards kicking a ball against the wall outside my house. The 81 final replay was another memorable one. Ricky Villa!
Oh the heartache worse than a Bonnie Tyler record! I should've known something was a miss with a guy playing for Arsenal called "Sunderland". :mrgreen:
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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by 101Walterton » 22 Feb 2019, 3:53pm

Marky Dread wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 6:58am
101Walterton wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 6:09am
Heston wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 5:31am
Low Down Low wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 5:03am
Heston wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 10:37am


Me neither!
That game was a little before my time but it’s hard to explain to kids now just how special the fa cup was back then. Along with the grand national they were probably the two biggest sporting days of the year for me. They churn out these cliches nowadays about the romance of the cup but they’re pretty meaningless far as I’m concerned. The year United sat it out was just about the last blow for a once mighty institution imo.
Couldn't agree more.
Yep cup final day was a very special day. I may be wrong but I remember all day leading up to kick off was about the final, Saturday morning TV, It’s A Knockout, football quizzes??
1976 cup final I cried my eyes out 😢
Saints preserve us! :mrgreen: We were just waiting for the ultimate F.A. Cup final. In 1977 Wally & Marky went to heaven. ;)
Yep 1977 was very special after what happened the year before and of course against the all conquering Liverpool team.
1979 was a roller coaster. That brilliant Sammy McIlroy goal is forgotten in history because of what happened at the end.

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Re: Association Football Thread

Post by 101Walterton » 25 Feb 2019, 2:31pm

I thought United was a circus before Mourihno was sacked but Chelsea WTF!!!
They can hide behind misunderstanding all they want but it is not fooling anyone. I believe Kapa thought it was an injury sub but Sarri wanted to make tactical change to bring on better penalty keeper. What was the captain doing, what was the experienced players like Luis doing why did no one listen to or even talk to their coach?
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