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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 07 Mar 2019, 7:51pm

Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:44pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:12pm
revbob wrote:
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 5:52pm
I'v got an electrical mystery for y'all. My office has one of those track lighting rods on the ceiling, with slots for six bulbs (the kind with flat surface, two pins as connectors). It's also got a four-setting dimmer switch (off, low, medium, high). The bulbs were halogen, which used a lot of juice, burned out easily, and ran really hot. I was out getting bulbs for something else when I saw LEDs for that kind, so I picked up a pack and started replacing the old ones. All was going well, taking out a halogen and replacing it with an LED one by one, until I got to the last one. Once I replaced that, the entire string lit up on low despite the switch being off. The only way I could get it back to the off setting was by putting back one halogen. My thinking is that it's dimmer related, but the dimmer function does work—the LEDs' intensity alters as the switch changes. I'm baffled why putting in all LEDs negates the off setting but one halogen restores it. Thoughts?
Im not entirely sure I understand the situation. Can you turn the dimmer up all the way and bring allthe LEDs to full power? Are the LED bulbs you have "dimmable"? They aren't by default. In order to handle the variable current they would usually have some extra electronics in them. There are dimmer switches that are specifically designed to use with LED bulbs too. It sounds like even when "off" there is a trickle of current which is enough to power the LEDs. Putting the halogen in creates enough load that there's not enough power at the low setting.
Yup, altering the dimmer settings increases or decreases the intensity of the LEDs. The switch would have been installed before LEDs were on the market (or at least common). Your point does make sense, that there is no real off, but only super low current that is enough for LEDs but not when there's a juice-hungry halogen in the string. Thanks!
I would suggest your track is installed with a power gain higher than the usual 230V to run all the previous halogens and as the LEDs don't require any more than the standard 230V the track is producing too much voltage and thus requires one of the Halogens to keep the voltage relevant.
Okay, that all makes sense. As I mentioned, it was installed before LEDs were common—before we bought the house almost five years ago. I assumed that the "off" on the dimmer was a true break of the circuit, but clearly it ain't. Thanks so much.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Marky Dread » 07 Mar 2019, 7:58pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:51pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:44pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:12pm
revbob wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:04pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 5:52pm
I'v got an electrical mystery for y'all. My office has one of those track lighting rods on the ceiling, with slots for six bulbs (the kind with flat surface, two pins as connectors). It's also got a four-setting dimmer switch (off, low, medium, high). The bulbs were halogen, which used a lot of juice, burned out easily, and ran really hot. I was out getting bulbs for something else when I saw LEDs for that kind, so I picked up a pack and started replacing the old ones. All was going well, taking out a halogen and replacing it with an LED one by one, until I got to the last one. Once I replaced that, the entire string lit up on low despite the switch being off. The only way I could get it back to the off setting was by putting back one halogen. My thinking is that it's dimmer related, but the dimmer function does work—the LEDs' intensity alters as the switch changes. I'm baffled why putting in all LEDs negates the off setting but one halogen restores it. Thoughts?
Im not entirely sure I understand the situation. Can you turn the dimmer up all the way and bring allthe LEDs to full power? Are the LED bulbs you have "dimmable"? They aren't by default. In order to handle the variable current they would usually have some extra electronics in them. There are dimmer switches that are specifically designed to use with LED bulbs too. It sounds like even when "off" there is a trickle of current which is enough to power the LEDs. Putting the halogen in creates enough load that there's not enough power at the low setting.
Yup, altering the dimmer settings increases or decreases the intensity of the LEDs. The switch would have been installed before LEDs were on the market (or at least common). Your point does make sense, that there is no real off, but only super low current that is enough for LEDs but not when there's a juice-hungry halogen in the string. Thanks!
I would suggest your track is installed with a power gain higher than the usual 230V to run all the previous halogens and as the LEDs don't require any more than the standard 230V the track is producing too much voltage and thus requires one of the Halogens to keep the voltage relevant.
Okay, that all makes sense. As I mentioned, it was installed before LEDs were common—before we bought the house almost five years ago. I assumed that the "off" on the dimmer was a true break of the circuit, but clearly it ain't. Thanks so much.
"Return of the Lighty Observation Thread" ;)
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 07 Mar 2019, 8:11pm

Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:58pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:51pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:44pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:12pm
revbob wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:04pm


Im not entirely sure I understand the situation. Can you turn the dimmer up all the way and bring allthe LEDs to full power? Are the LED bulbs you have "dimmable"? They aren't by default. In order to handle the variable current they would usually have some extra electronics in them. There are dimmer switches that are specifically designed to use with LED bulbs too. It sounds like even when "off" there is a trickle of current which is enough to power the LEDs. Putting the halogen in creates enough load that there's not enough power at the low setting.
Yup, altering the dimmer settings increases or decreases the intensity of the LEDs. The switch would have been installed before LEDs were on the market (or at least common). Your point does make sense, that there is no real off, but only super low current that is enough for LEDs but not when there's a juice-hungry halogen in the string. Thanks!
I would suggest your track is installed with a power gain higher than the usual 230V to run all the previous halogens and as the LEDs don't require any more than the standard 230V the track is producing too much voltage and thus requires one of the Halogens to keep the voltage relevant.
Okay, that all makes sense. As I mentioned, it was installed before LEDs were common—before we bought the house almost five years ago. I assumed that the "off" on the dimmer was a true break of the circuit, but clearly it ain't. Thanks so much.
"Return of the Lighty Observation Thread" ;)
I'm quite pleased at how quickly the mystery was solved. I honestly had no clue what the hell was going on. Added shame: my dad was an electrician. If there's an afterlife, he's pretending I'm the milkman's kid.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Marky Dread » 07 Mar 2019, 8:25pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:11pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:58pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:51pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:44pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:12pm


Yup, altering the dimmer settings increases or decreases the intensity of the LEDs. The switch would have been installed before LEDs were on the market (or at least common). Your point does make sense, that there is no real off, but only super low current that is enough for LEDs but not when there's a juice-hungry halogen in the string. Thanks!
I would suggest your track is installed with a power gain higher than the usual 230V to run all the previous halogens and as the LEDs don't require any more than the standard 230V the track is producing too much voltage and thus requires one of the Halogens to keep the voltage relevant.
Okay, that all makes sense. As I mentioned, it was installed before LEDs were common—before we bought the house almost five years ago. I assumed that the "off" on the dimmer was a true break of the circuit, but clearly it ain't. Thanks so much.
"Return of the Lighty Observation Thread" ;)
I'm quite pleased at how quickly the mystery was solved. I honestly had no clue what the hell was going on. Added shame: my dad was an electrician. If there's an afterlife, he's pretending I'm the milkman's kid.
:lol:

I had to make a promise to my mum never to be an electrician or someone who works with electricity. Due to my dad being electrocuted. Maybe I could've turned out better. :disshame:
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 07 Mar 2019, 8:30pm

Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:25pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:11pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:58pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:51pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:44pm


I would suggest your track is installed with a power gain higher than the usual 230V to run all the previous halogens and as the LEDs don't require any more than the standard 230V the track is producing too much voltage and thus requires one of the Halogens to keep the voltage relevant.
Okay, that all makes sense. As I mentioned, it was installed before LEDs were common—before we bought the house almost five years ago. I assumed that the "off" on the dimmer was a true break of the circuit, but clearly it ain't. Thanks so much.
"Return of the Lighty Observation Thread" ;)
I'm quite pleased at how quickly the mystery was solved. I honestly had no clue what the hell was going on. Added shame: my dad was an electrician. If there's an afterlife, he's pretending I'm the milkman's kid.
:lol:

I had to make a promise to my mum never to be an electrician or someone who works with electricity. Due to my dad being electrocuted. Maybe I could've turned out better. :disshame:
Oh crap. :sad: I remember so many of my friends in university who mocked those from high school who went to a trade school. It wasn't for me, but even back then I thought those guys were choosing the more solid career path. No such thing as an unemployed plumber or electrician.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Marky Dread » 07 Mar 2019, 8:37pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:30pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:25pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:11pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:58pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:51pm


Okay, that all makes sense. As I mentioned, it was installed before LEDs were common—before we bought the house almost five years ago. I assumed that the "off" on the dimmer was a true break of the circuit, but clearly it ain't. Thanks so much.
"Return of the Lighty Observation Thread" ;)
I'm quite pleased at how quickly the mystery was solved. I honestly had no clue what the hell was going on. Added shame: my dad was an electrician. If there's an afterlife, he's pretending I'm the milkman's kid.
:lol:

I had to make a promise to my mum never to be an electrician or someone who works with electricity. Due to my dad being electrocuted. Maybe I could've turned out better. :disshame:
Oh crap. :sad: I remember so many of my friends in university who mocked those from high school who went to a trade school. It wasn't for me, but even back then I thought those guys were choosing the more solid career path. No such thing as an unemployed plumber or electrician.
I did choose a trade when I left school which is Wood Machinist which I took an apprenticeship in and passed with distinction. Trouble being where I live in the south of this blighted isle all the wood machining factories and workshops closed down fairly quickly when the big D.I.Y. merchants moved in and made things easier for people. Hence I became a postman then a security guard/supervisor which is the last refuge of the bluffer. I'm currently not working due to my health issues but as soon as I get my move sorted which is just over the horizon I will be looking to get myself back into some form of employment.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 07 Mar 2019, 8:45pm

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I did choose a trade when I left school which is Wood Machinist which I took an apprenticeship in and passed with distinction. Trouble being where I live in the south of this blighted isle all the wood machining factories and workshops closed down fairly quickly when the big D.I.Y. merchants moved in and made things easier for people. Hence I became a postman then a security guard/supervisor which is the last refuge of the bluffer. I'm currently not working due to my health issues but as soon as I get my move sorted which is just over the horizon I will be looking to get myself back into some form of employment.
FIngers and toes crossed for you, bud. My dad loathed places like Home Depot because he saw them as taking food out of the mouths of tradesmen. He was right, of course, but that's neoliberalism for you. As much as I feel like less of a man when I hire pros to do various shit around the house, I try to remember my dad's argument.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Marky Dread » 07 Mar 2019, 8:50pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:45pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:37pm
I did choose a trade when I left school which is Wood Machinist which I took an apprenticeship in and passed with distinction. Trouble being where I live in the south of this blighted isle all the wood machining factories and workshops closed down fairly quickly when the big D.I.Y. merchants moved in and made things easier for people. Hence I became a postman then a security guard/supervisor which is the last refuge of the bluffer. I'm currently not working due to my health issues but as soon as I get my move sorted which is just over the horizon I will be looking to get myself back into some form of employment.
FIngers and toes crossed for you, bud. My dad loathed places like Home Depot because he saw them as taking food out of the mouths of tradesmen. He was right, of course, but that's neoliberalism for you. As much as I feel like less of a man when I hire pros to do various shit around the house, I try to remember my dad's argument.
Thanks mate it's appreciated. Yeah I get your dad's frustration at places like Home depot etc. Food out of the mouths of tradesman but food in the belly's of shelf stackers etc. I still have mixed feelings.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 07 Mar 2019, 9:18pm

Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:50pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:45pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:37pm
I did choose a trade when I left school which is Wood Machinist which I took an apprenticeship in and passed with distinction. Trouble being where I live in the south of this blighted isle all the wood machining factories and workshops closed down fairly quickly when the big D.I.Y. merchants moved in and made things easier for people. Hence I became a postman then a security guard/supervisor which is the last refuge of the bluffer. I'm currently not working due to my health issues but as soon as I get my move sorted which is just over the horizon I will be looking to get myself back into some form of employment.
FIngers and toes crossed for you, bud. My dad loathed places like Home Depot because he saw them as taking food out of the mouths of tradesmen. He was right, of course, but that's neoliberalism for you. As much as I feel like less of a man when I hire pros to do various shit around the house, I try to remember my dad's argument.
Thanks mate it's appreciated. Yeah I get your dad's frustration at places like Home depot etc. Food out of the mouths of tradesman but food in the belly's of shelf stackers etc. I still have mixed feelings.
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Post by revbob » 07 Mar 2019, 9:26pm

I have a background in electronics and computers. I stick to the safe stuff these days. I used work around/with high voltage. I've had some close calls and a few bites but always hated working with it live. I have a buddy who is an electrician I hire him for anything above changing a switch, outlet or fixture. He works live all the time, as I think most electricians do and it scares me.

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Post by Dr. Medulla » 07 Mar 2019, 9:32pm

revbob wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 9:26pm
I have a background in electronics and computers. I stick to the safe stuff these days. I used work around/with high voltage. I've had some close calls and a few bites but always hated working with it live. I have a buddy who is an electrician I hire him for anything above changing a switch, outlet or fixture. He works live all the time, as I think most electricians do and it scares me.
When I do the simplest of wiring jobs in the house, breakers are being switched off, even if I know the switch is off and breaking the circuit. I am crazy paranoid when it comes to electricity. If I don't kill myself immediately, I figure I'll burn us up in the night. Again: the milkman's son.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by 101Walterton » 07 Mar 2019, 9:33pm

Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:37pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:30pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:25pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:11pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 7:58pm


"Return of the Lighty Observation Thread" ;)
I'm quite pleased at how quickly the mystery was solved. I honestly had no clue what the hell was going on. Added shame: my dad was an electrician. If there's an afterlife, he's pretending I'm the milkman's kid.
:lol:

I had to make a promise to my mum never to be an electrician or someone who works with electricity. Due to my dad being electrocuted. Maybe I could've turned out better. :disshame:
Oh crap. :sad: I remember so many of my friends in university who mocked those from high school who went to a trade school. It wasn't for me, but even back then I thought those guys were choosing the more solid career path. No such thing as an unemployed plumber or electrician.
I did choose a trade when I left school which is Wood Machinist which I took an apprenticeship in and passed with distinction. Trouble being where I live in the south of this blighted isle all the wood machining factories and workshops closed down fairly quickly when the big D.I.Y. merchants moved in and made things easier for people. Hence I became a postman then a security guard/supervisor which is the last refuge of the bluffer. I'm currently not working due to my health issues but as soon as I get my move sorted which is just over the horizon I will be looking to get myself back into some form of employment.
You moving far Marky or staying in the Royal County?

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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Marky Dread » 07 Mar 2019, 9:34pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 9:18pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:50pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:45pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:37pm
I did choose a trade when I left school which is Wood Machinist which I took an apprenticeship in and passed with distinction. Trouble being where I live in the south of this blighted isle all the wood machining factories and workshops closed down fairly quickly when the big D.I.Y. merchants moved in and made things easier for people. Hence I became a postman then a security guard/supervisor which is the last refuge of the bluffer. I'm currently not working due to my health issues but as soon as I get my move sorted which is just over the horizon I will be looking to get myself back into some form of employment.
FIngers and toes crossed for you, bud. My dad loathed places like Home Depot because he saw them as taking food out of the mouths of tradesmen. He was right, of course, but that's neoliberalism for you. As much as I feel like less of a man when I hire pros to do various shit around the house, I try to remember my dad's argument.
Thanks mate it's appreciated. Yeah I get your dad's frustration at places like Home depot etc. Food out of the mouths of tradesman but food in the belly's of shelf stackers etc. I still have mixed feelings.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by Marky Dread » 07 Mar 2019, 9:37pm

101Walterton wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 9:33pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:37pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:30pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:25pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 8:11pm

I'm quite pleased at how quickly the mystery was solved. I honestly had no clue what the hell was going on. Added shame: my dad was an electrician. If there's an afterlife, he's pretending I'm the milkman's kid.
:lol:

I had to make a promise to my mum never to be an electrician or someone who works with electricity. Due to my dad being electrocuted. Maybe I could've turned out better. :disshame:
Oh crap. :sad: I remember so many of my friends in university who mocked those from high school who went to a trade school. It wasn't for me, but even back then I thought those guys were choosing the more solid career path. No such thing as an unemployed plumber or electrician.
I did choose a trade when I left school which is Wood Machinist which I took an apprenticeship in and passed with distinction. Trouble being where I live in the south of this blighted isle all the wood machining factories and workshops closed down fairly quickly when the big D.I.Y. merchants moved in and made things easier for people. Hence I became a postman then a security guard/supervisor which is the last refuge of the bluffer. I'm currently not working due to my health issues but as soon as I get my move sorted which is just over the horizon I will be looking to get myself back into some form of employment.
You moving far Marky or staying in the Royal County?
I will be going to Cornwall initially to stay with my mum and step-dad. If I can find a property cheap enough once Brexit has been sorted ( :rolleyes: ) I'll stay there. If not I may look to go northwards where property is way cheaper and everyone listens to KISS 24/7.
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Re: Return of the Mighty Observations Thread

Post by revbob » 07 Mar 2019, 9:46pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 9:32pm
revbob wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 9:26pm
I have a background in electronics and computers. I stick to the safe stuff these days. I used work around/with high voltage. I've had some close calls and a few bites but always hated working with it live. I have a buddy who is an electrician I hire him for anything above changing a switch, outlet or fixture. He works live all the time, as I think most electricians do and it scares me.
When I do the simplest of wiring jobs in the house, breakers are being switched off, even if I know the switch is off and breaking the circuit. I am crazy paranoid when it comes to electricity. If I don't kill myself immediately, I figure I'll burn us up in the night. Again: the milkman's son.
I had to do an electrical safety class and part of it included a recording from a 911 call where a kid made the call while his dad was being electrocuted. It was really hard to listen to. So yeah I'll be the guy who shuts off the breaker too.

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