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Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Jan 2020, 9:48pm
Not the first episode, only doughy Data. But fat Riker is in the trailers, so he's coming up, hopefully still sitting down like a freak. And Picard has a dog named Number One, which I assume is because Riker was Picard's dog.
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Flex wrote:
23 Jan 2020, 10:13pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Jan 2020, 9:48pm
Not the first episode, only doughy Data. But fat Riker is in the trailers, so he's coming up, hopefully still sitting down like a freak. And Picard has a dog named Number One, which I assume is because Riker was Picard's dog.
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BostonBeaneater wrote:
23 Jan 2020, 11:20pm
Flex wrote:
23 Jan 2020, 10:13pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
23 Jan 2020, 9:48pm
Not the first episode, only doughy Data. But fat Riker is in the trailers, so he's coming up, hopefully still sitting down like a freak. And Picard has a dog named Number One, which I assume is because Riker was Picard's dog.
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Episode 2 of Picard. For those thinking this was some kind of sequel to TNG, nuh-uh, Its spiritual ancestor is DS9. The Federation is as corrupt and shallowly self-interested as any of the big bad aliens from Trek lore. This episode wasn't as impactful, but I appreciated that given how quickly the first one sped along.
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It's curious to read reviews of Picard episodes that basically approve of this more rueful Jean-Luc, someone who questions the certainty of his ideals and actions in the past and seeks to atone, yet how many people hated that same theme in the Star Wars sequels with Luke. It's not a perfect parallel by any means, but we do have the confident and noble hero in old age regarding his efforts with some regret and bitterness at how the larger universe has gone to shit in part from his failure, and seeks to atone in some way.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Feb 2020, 11:37am
It's curious to read reviews of Picard episodes that basically approve of this more rueful Jean-Luc, someone who questions the certainty of his ideals and actions in the past and seeks to atone, yet how many people hated that same theme in the Star Wars sequels with Luke. It's not a perfect parallel by any means, but we do have the confident and noble hero in old age regarding his efforts with some regret and bitterness at how the larger universe has gone to shit in part from his failure, and seeks to atone in some way.
Slightly off-topic with the thread but on-topic with your comment, I always read a large portion of the folks complaining about Luke also took issue with a female lead and an african-american lead character. I think their focus on Luke was an attempt to justify that they didn't see themselves represented as the sole heroes of the narrative anymore based on some of the comments Mark Hamill voiced about how he didn't personally agree with Rian Johnson's vision of the character. Not that Hammill would agree with the sexism or racism that they espoused, mind.

They don't complain about Picard because, fundamentally, they don't have a problem because a bunch of white people remain the lead. Maybe that's being a bit too harsh, but that's at least my read of how the internet generally reacts to these things.

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Boddington wrote:
18 Feb 2020, 8:09pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Feb 2020, 11:37am
It's curious to read reviews of Picard episodes that basically approve of this more rueful Jean-Luc, someone who questions the certainty of his ideals and actions in the past and seeks to atone, yet how many people hated that same theme in the Star Wars sequels with Luke. It's not a perfect parallel by any means, but we do have the confident and noble hero in old age regarding his efforts with some regret and bitterness at how the larger universe has gone to shit in part from his failure, and seeks to atone in some way.
Slightly off-topic with the thread but on-topic with your comment, I always read a large portion of the folks complaining about Luke also took issue with a female lead and an african-american lead character. I think their focus on Luke was an attempt to justify that they didn't see themselves represented as the sole heroes of the narrative anymore based on some of the comments Mark Hamill voiced about how he didn't personally agree with Rian Johnson's vision of the character. Not that Hammill would agree with the sexism or racism that they espoused, mind.

They don't complain about Picard because, fundamentally, they don't have a problem because a bunch of white people remain the lead. Maybe that's being a bit too harsh, but that's at least my read of how the internet generally reacts to these things.
I suspect you're right (or at least mostly right). Less a white hero displaying remorse for failure than him also being displaced as the hero by “artificial” and “pandering” characters.
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