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On a much more positive note, we watched the final episode of the first season of The Mandalorian this morning. The series is a whole lotta fun, along the lines of Solo (people living outside the law, by their own code, but mostly seeking to do the right thing). Since Disney took over, it would seem that the results with non-Skywalker stuff (Rogue One, Solo, Mandalorian) have been much more satisfying than the main movies. Suggestive, perhaps, that now that there's still reason to believe that there's still some fun Star Wars ahead now that they don't have to worry about fitting things into Lucas' narrative.
Triple post time, but just to break up my own negativity and agree with this. I came into the Disney star wars era extremely skeptical but outside Rise I've really enjoyed most of the movies and what I've seen of The Mandalorian. Getting away from narrative restrictions is a good thing for star wars universe movies imho. Even the seemingly maligned Solo was quite fun as a modest outlaw movie. I don't know if Disney will.accept a star wars release schedule that doesn't have Giant Blockbuster tentpoles, but there's a path to success without them, I think.
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Flex wrote:
27 Dec 2019, 11:07am
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27 Dec 2019, 7:40am
and one could read predictions and destinies of balancing the Force and all that stuff if they want, but I think that requires a lot more effort on the part of the audience.
It requires effort in that one has to try to pick through the incredibly badly written script, but in the absence of any meaningful discussion of free will or choice, this seemed like the obvious path to me. It just seemed like a deliberately cyclical replay of the last trilogy where the Vader like guy sacrifices himself to kill palpatine. In movies, free will is usually signalled by breaking behavioral patterns, not just cycling through the same actions over and over again.

Addendum: I guess all the re-embracing of the Jedi, and rejection of everything said about the need for the Jedi to die in TLJ, that Rey did and the note-for-note recreation of the Vader arc for Kylo seemed like they were rejecting the "let the past die" stuff. In fact, Rey has the entire past living within her and defining her identity.
The problem is, of course, the poor script, which I suspect is at partly a consequence of trying to build some kind of connection to TLJ that Abrams doesn't cotton to. A full-on rejection would have made for a confusing larger narrative, tho perhaps a better individual movie. And a full adherence to TLJ would require a different director (and maybe greater backbone from Disney in ignoring angry "fans"). So we got this mish mosh that generates our differences over thematic continuity/divergence.

In the end, I think this movie is unlike the prequels and original films in that they were about the Force-oriented characters having to act as they do as part of their destiny, whereas this is about characters choosing to act as they do and breaking the cycle. Kylo, despite seeming like Vader, never operates under some kind of prophecy or fate, and Rey's entire life is a search for purpose and identity, then finally rejecting the one that is supposedly chosen for her by grandpa. And their choices break the cycle by both ending the Sith (Palpatine) and the Jedi (Skywalkers). When Rey takes the Skywalker name at the end, maybe it's saying the Jedi still live on or it's emphasizing the whole choice of it all. I lean in the latter direction—she chooses her adopted family over blood.
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Flex,
...obvious candidate for Film of the Year for the alt-right.
, is this meant to be tongue in cheek ?
No, not really.
Hyperbolic?

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Hyperbolic?
maybe a little. i think the chosen bloodlines and genetic predermination for greatness really resonates with our neo-fascist moment. obviously it's imperfect (there are minorities in supporting roles and such), but I'd also have to think the Richard Spencers of the world would be pretty happy to seeing the racist backlash against TLJ work so well.
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Mimi wrote:
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Back from the movie. I won't initiate any discussion in case people don't want to be spoiled, etc., but will say that it was a paradoxical experience. It was almost non-stop action—with the exception of a couple lulls—yet I was seriously bored by it all.
I enjoyed the movie, but the non-stop action raised my anxiety. It was too much for me. Way too much. The lulls weren't long enough to recover from the previous intense moment and those action moments went on for so long. Agghhh! By the middle of the movie, I was reteaching myself how to breathe. lol Still, I liked it a lot more than I thought I would. A few things drove me batty, but SW movies aren't perfect. I loved the ending. *sniff*
I really like the ROS, but agree the non stop action is too much at first. But once you get comfortable with the editing and pacing it's really a fun movie. The confrontation towards the end with (the villian), had some really emotional moments.

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I like Rey and Finn.

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It was fun. It was a hot mess. All the criticisms are valid. I loved it. These are not contradictions.
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It was fun. It was a hot mess. All the criticisms are valid. I loved it. These are not contradictions.
Yeah Im not going to take it too seriously. My big complaints of the Anakin trilogy was that Christian Hayden was awful and i wanna say much of the dialog in those movies was bad in general. On top of that the racist caracticures were just too much much otherwise those could have been good..

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It was fun. It was a hot mess. All the criticisms are valid. I loved it. These are not contradictions.
We were discussing it at work this morning and well, it devolved into, man, this movie really sucked, I loved it.

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Leak of the purported original script for Episode IX: https://news.avclub.com/turns-out-colin ... 1841002112

Enh, maybe better, maybe worse.
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Leak of the purported original script for Episode IX: https://news.avclub.com/turns-out-colin ... 1841002112

Enh, maybe better, maybe worse.
The bullet points sound better to me than what was released (I ain't reading the script), but - and I say this as someone who really disliked the last film - it's pretty impossible to compare a draft script to a finished product. I can probably imagine a really cool version of a similar Abrams draft.
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Flex wrote:
15 Jan 2020, 1:48pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
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Leak of the purported original script for Episode IX: https://news.avclub.com/turns-out-colin ... 1841002112

Enh, maybe better, maybe worse.
The bullet points sound better to me than what was released (I ain't reading the script), but - and I say this as someone who really disliked the last film - it's pretty impossible to compare a draft script to a finished product. I can probably imagine a really cool version of a similar Abrams draft.
That's just it. I can think of ways to play around with the version we got to be more compelling. Hell, I suspect we could achieve a better movie just thru editing.
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That's just it. I can think of ways to play around with the version we got to be more compelling. Hell, I suspect we could achieve a better movie just thru editing.
Editing was massive problem in the released film. Some re-sequences and judicious scene edits and figuring out... what the fuck to do about the leia stuff... alone would have raised the film at least one grade level alone.
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Flex wrote:
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
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That's just it. I can think of ways to play around with the version we got to be more compelling. Hell, I suspect we could achieve a better movie just thru editing.
Editing was massive problem in the released film. Some re-sequences and judicious scene edits and figuring out... what the fuck to do about the leia stuff... alone would have raised the film at least one grade level alone.
I think it was Rian Johnson who offered a not-so-subtle critique that "fan service" will just ruin a movie. Whether or not that's true all the time, I think that was a major part of what made Rise so underwhelming. Maybe that was Abrams' inclinations, maybe it was edicts from Disney, but the result was big budget fanfic. I remember thinking that Rogue One was basically fanfic (because it was a story that really wasn't all that important to know) but the actual results were a lot more ambitious and bold in terms of Star Wars convention.
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