King of the Hill Appreciation Thread.

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It's been years since I've seen South Park so I can't say whether it still holds true, but Judge, like Parker/Stone, worked the in-between of attacking Hollywood-esque liberal phonies and conservative redneck bozos. I think of it as pining for that mythical Springsteen liberal past, where people were honest and worked hard and the two things resulted in a good society.
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Well, Stone and Parker are explicit Libertarians and Stone, at least, said he hated both conservatives and liberals but hates liberals more. They all basically seem to have the politics of a Reason magazine columnist, Judge maybe one of the better ones like Elizabeth Nolan Brown Peter Suderman and Stone and Parker maybe one of the worse ones like Nick Gillespie or Robby Soave. Yeah, those all seem about right to me.
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Much as I love Mike Judge, Idiocracy makes me uncomfortable with the race-to-the-bottom characterization of people. On a more visceral or therapeutic level, especially over the last decade, yeah, I suppose it'd feel like a release, a venting over the tide of belligerent ignorance. But there's an elitist aspect to it that treats the masses as the downfall of us all. Even if we can see a critique of commercial greed behind it all, it's the masses who are most susceptible and are agents of it all going to fuck.

(That said, I haven't watched Idiocracy more than once. It was something that I just didn't want to go back to. Maybe I'd feel better about it now.)
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Much as I love Mike Judge, Idiocracy makes me uncomfortable with the race-to-the-bottom characterization of people. On a more visceral or therapeutic level, especially over the last decade, yeah, I suppose it'd feel like a release, a venting over the tide of belligerent ignorance. But there's an elitist aspect to it that treats the masses as the downfall of us all. Even if we can see a critique of commercial greed behind it all, it's the masses who are most susceptible and are agents of it all going to fuck.

(That said, I haven't watched Idiocracy more than once. It was something that I just didn't want to go back to. Maybe I'd feel better about it now.)
I haven't watched it in a fair bit but my takeaway of the movie is that pretty much each individual component of the movie is quite funny but it all adds up to something fairly noxious in the underlying message (spelled out pretty explicitly in the opening and closing voiceovers). I think with even the tiniest edits the move could be much, much more politically palatable.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
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It's been years since I've seen South Park so I can't say whether it still holds true, but Judge, like Parker/Stone, worked the in-between of attacking Hollywood-esque liberal phonies and conservative redneck bozos. I think of it as pining for that mythical Springsteen liberal past, where people were honest and worked hard and the two things resulted in a good society.
About once every season, KOTH fumbled the ball with its depiction of clueless hypocritical hippies or limp wristed government patsies, but the show is so human that I just roll my eyes and move on.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
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It's been years since I've seen South Park so I can't say whether it still holds true, but Judge, like Parker/Stone, worked the in-between of attacking Hollywood-esque liberal phonies and conservative redneck bozos. I think of it as pining for that mythical Springsteen liberal past, where people were honest and worked hard and the two things resulted in a good society.
About once every season, KOTH fumbled the ball with its depiction of clueless hypocritical hippies or limp wristed government patsies, but the show is so human that I just roll my eyes and move on.
One of things I appreciated about the show is that most every character got opportunities to be the voice of reason (or at least of the best way forward) as well as to be the dolt. It avoided the Simpsons trap of making the characters increasingly narrow, so that there was limited room to write for them. Hank, for example, was earnest to the point of naivete, making him a sucker for how society's rules operated, but he (mostly) wasn't sucked into scams and fads like those around him. At the start of an episode, you couldn't be sure who would be playing what role, even if the characters had fairly well-established traits by season 2 (Dale was the one who evolved the most over the full run, ending up closer to Bill than the McVeigh-esque nut he started as).
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The Mats would have let him accompany them up on stage for this one. :mrgreen:

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One of the pure pleasures of KotH is Brittany Murphy as Luanne, especially when she starts laughing. She's playing a basic dumb blonde, and yet there's such a joy there, where we laugh with as much as at her.
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Nothing like seeing a monkey whip a dog down the back stretch.
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Oh, what was I thinking? I am in over my head. What made me think that I could teach high school? I so wanted to be like Welcome Back, Kotter. Now I'm like the real Gabe Kaplan. I am a loser.
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