Libertarian Thread of Doom

[Silent Majority]

https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/ ... wn-project

[Dr. Medulla]

https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/ ... wn-project

Beaneater led with that in this thread (or early on). I listened to the audio version. Various parts hilarious and tragic. A bunch of bozos armed with miniature constitutions asserting why this or that is a violation of their rights, resulting in their community going to hell. Just a whole lot of "You can't tell me what to do, you statist!" "Who are you calling a statist, you statist?"

[Silent Majority]

https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/ ... wn-project

Beaneater led with that in this thread (or early on). I listened to the audio version. Various parts hilarious and tragic. A bunch of bozos armed with miniature constitutions asserting why this or that is a violation of their rights, resulting in their community going to hell. Just a whole lot of "You can't tell me what to do, you statist!" "Who are you calling a statist, you statist?"

Ah, sorry, I searched 'bears' in this thread to no results.

[Dr. Medulla]

https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/ ... wn-project

Beaneater led with that in this thread (or early on). I listened to the audio version. Various parts hilarious and tragic. A bunch of bozos armed with miniature constitutions asserting why this or that is a violation of their rights, resulting in their community going to hell. Just a whole lot of "You can't tell me what to do, you statist!" "Who are you calling a statist, you statist?"

Ah, sorry, I searched 'bears' in this thread to no results.

Never a bad thing to remind people that self-identifying libertarians should be laughed at for the reasons described in that article and book. If they got their way, life would be as miserable as any Communist society that gives them hives. Libertarianism is a useful critical tool, but it's no way to live your life.

[XRCF]

Literally yes, I never spoke with parents as I'm not one to go round to another persons house anyway.
They were just brought up that way with the Qur'an as you would expect.
I have no problems with Muslims until they start wanting sharia law in the UK and or start to move Islam into the teaching in schools without showing the downsides too (This happens, i really can't prove this as of right now, its a trust me bro situation)

I might still have my Theology workbook somewhere but like even if I did, you still wouldn't believe me

What percentage of these people that live in your community do you think are that conservative/fundamental? I've always found the major religions tend to have a broad spectrum of interpretation/adherence from conservative to basically "my parents used to do this, but I'm doing the minimum to keep them off my back." You grew up and presumably had friends of these backgrounds yet you see them as untrustworthy, disloyal, strict adherents of faith over country/community? Like all of them? This mindset is so baffling to me. I'm really trying to understand what kind of experiences led you to this.

Let me dumb this down,
Qur'an and therefor sharia law says i should be murdered, its not about the minority its about the majority.
Yeah so 60% of Muslims don't want sharia law (though i suspect that number is outdated) this doesn't then mean that the other 40% don't exist.
It's only a matter of time before that number gets higher with more people who are uninformed on how dangerous it is.
I don't want ANYONE who wants sharia in the UK, that's very fucking reasonable.

Alright, I had a three day weekend and now I'm sick with the flu so I'm just getting back to this and ignoring the fun that happened downstream of this last post.

What does supporting "sharia law" mean to you? My understanding is that it covers a large swath of societal interactions and has broad variety of interpretations as there is for Islam in general. From some brief google searches, the polling questions were far too surface level to really provide any kind of insight. It doesn't necessarily mean they want to stone adulterers, but perhaps the question means to them that they want to avoid riba by entering into interest free loans. You know, shit that has no impact on you. Consequently, I don't find that statistic to be particularly meaningful.

Sharia Law is the rules of life as stated by the Qur'an.
Many first generation immigrants from Islamic countries fled to the UK to get away from these laws.

What you don't understand is, Yes it does mean they want to stone adulterers.
Just because a person doesn't fully understand what they are voting for doesn't mean that the shit that they don't understand doesn't happen.
it doesn't matter how much of the 40% know of what they are voting for, the fact they are voting for it in the first place is the bad thing.

[matedog]

Literally yes, I never spoke with parents as I'm not one to go round to another persons house anyway.
They were just brought up that way with the Qur'an as you would expect.
I have no problems with Muslims until they start wanting sharia law in the UK and or start to move Islam into the teaching in schools without showing the downsides too (This happens, i really can't prove this as of right now, its a trust me bro situation)

I might still have my Theology workbook somewhere but like even if I did, you still wouldn't believe me

What percentage of these people that live in your community do you think are that conservative/fundamental? I've always found the major religions tend to have a broad spectrum of interpretation/adherence from conservative to basically "my parents used to do this, but I'm doing the minimum to keep them off my back." You grew up and presumably had friends of these backgrounds yet you see them as untrustworthy, disloyal, strict adherents of faith over country/community? Like all of them? This mindset is so baffling to me. I'm really trying to understand what kind of experiences led you to this.

Let me dumb this down,
Qur'an and therefor sharia law says i should be murdered, its not about the minority its about the majority.
Yeah so 60% of Muslims don't want sharia law (though i suspect that number is outdated) this doesn't then mean that the other 40% don't exist.
It's only a matter of time before that number gets higher with more people who are uninformed on how dangerous it is.
I don't want ANYONE who wants sharia in the UK, that's very fucking reasonable.

Alright, I had a three day weekend and now I'm sick with the flu so I'm just getting back to this and ignoring the fun that happened downstream of this last post.

What does supporting "sharia law" mean to you? My understanding is that it covers a large swath of societal interactions and has broad variety of interpretations as there is for Islam in general. From some brief google searches, the polling questions were far too surface level to really provide any kind of insight. It doesn't necessarily mean they want to stone adulterers, but perhaps the question means to them that they want to avoid riba by entering into interest free loans. You know, shit that has no impact on you. Consequently, I don't find that statistic to be particularly meaningful.

Sharia Law is the rules of life as stated by the Qur'an.
Many first generation immigrants from Islamic countries fled to the UK to get away from these laws.

What you don't understand is, Yes it does mean they want to stone adulterers.
Just because a person doesn't fully understand what they are voting for doesn't mean that the shit that they don't understand doesn't happen.
it doesn't matter how much of the 40% know of what they are voting for, the fact they are voting for it in the first place is the bad thing.

How is that any different from polling Americans and asking if the country should be run according to Christian principles? You'd probably get more than 40% approval out of that. Hell, I've heard America's laws being rooted in "judeo-christian" values many times in my life. In which case, that means death to homosexuals.

[XRCF]

What percentage of these people that live in your community do you think are that conservative/fundamental? I've always found the major religions tend to have a broad spectrum of interpretation/adherence from conservative to basically "my parents used to do this, but I'm doing the minimum to keep them off my back." You grew up and presumably had friends of these backgrounds yet you see them as untrustworthy, disloyal, strict adherents of faith over country/community? Like all of them? This mindset is so baffling to me. I'm really trying to understand what kind of experiences led you to this.

Let me dumb this down,
Qur'an and therefor sharia law says i should be murdered, its not about the minority its about the majority.
Yeah so 60% of Muslims don't want sharia law (though i suspect that number is outdated) this doesn't then mean that the other 40% don't exist.
It's only a matter of time before that number gets higher with more people who are uninformed on how dangerous it is.
I don't want ANYONE who wants sharia in the UK, that's very fucking reasonable.

Alright, I had a three day weekend and now I'm sick with the flu so I'm just getting back to this and ignoring the fun that happened downstream of this last post.

What does supporting "sharia law" mean to you? My understanding is that it covers a large swath of societal interactions and has broad variety of interpretations as there is for Islam in general. From some brief google searches, the polling questions were far too surface level to really provide any kind of insight. It doesn't necessarily mean they want to stone adulterers, but perhaps the question means to them that they want to avoid riba by entering into interest free loans. You know, shit that has no impact on you. Consequently, I don't find that statistic to be particularly meaningful.

Sharia Law is the rules of life as stated by the Qur'an.
Many first generation immigrants from Islamic countries fled to the UK to get away from these laws.

What you don't understand is, Yes it does mean they want to stone adulterers.
Just because a person doesn't fully understand what they are voting for doesn't mean that the shit that they don't understand doesn't happen.
it doesn't matter how much of the 40% know of what they are voting for, the fact they are voting for it in the first place is the bad thing.

How is that any different from polling Americans and asking if the country should be run according to Christian principles? You'd probably get more than 40% approval out of that. Hell, I've heard America's laws being rooted in "judeo-christian" values many times in my life. In which case, that means death to homosexuals.

It isn't?
That's not what I'm saying.
Also are you aware of what a Fatwa is?

[matedog]

Let me dumb this down,
Qur'an and therefor sharia law says i should be murdered, its not about the minority its about the majority.
Yeah so 60% of Muslims don't want sharia law (though i suspect that number is outdated) this doesn't then mean that the other 40% don't exist.
It's only a matter of time before that number gets higher with more people who are uninformed on how dangerous it is.
I don't want ANYONE who wants sharia in the UK, that's very fucking reasonable.

Alright, I had a three day weekend and now I'm sick with the flu so I'm just getting back to this and ignoring the fun that happened downstream of this last post.

What does supporting "sharia law" mean to you? My understanding is that it covers a large swath of societal interactions and has broad variety of interpretations as there is for Islam in general. From some brief google searches, the polling questions were far too surface level to really provide any kind of insight. It doesn't necessarily mean they want to stone adulterers, but perhaps the question means to them that they want to avoid riba by entering into interest free loans. You know, shit that has no impact on you. Consequently, I don't find that statistic to be particularly meaningful.

Sharia Law is the rules of life as stated by the Qur'an.
Many first generation immigrants from Islamic countries fled to the UK to get away from these laws.

What you don't understand is, Yes it does mean they want to stone adulterers.
Just because a person doesn't fully understand what they are voting for doesn't mean that the shit that they don't understand doesn't happen.
it doesn't matter how much of the 40% know of what they are voting for, the fact they are voting for it in the first place is the bad thing.

How is that any different from polling Americans and asking if the country should be run according to Christian principles? You'd probably get more than 40% approval out of that. Hell, I've heard America's laws being rooted in "judeo-christian" values many times in my life. In which case, that means death to homosexuals.

It isn't?
That's not what I'm saying.
Also are you aware of what a Fatwa is?

Yes. None of this is new to me.

Let me try to phrase your position to make sure I'm understanding it correctly: You don't want Muslims coming to the UK because 40% of them want to adhere to Islamic law which you feel is counter to UK "culture" and "society." Is that correct?

[XRCF]

Alright, I had a three day weekend and now I'm sick with the flu so I'm just getting back to this and ignoring the fun that happened downstream of this last post.

What does supporting "sharia law" mean to you? My understanding is that it covers a large swath of societal interactions and has broad variety of interpretations as there is for Islam in general. From some brief google searches, the polling questions were far too surface level to really provide any kind of insight. It doesn't necessarily mean they want to stone adulterers, but perhaps the question means to them that they want to avoid riba by entering into interest free loans. You know, shit that has no impact on you. Consequently, I don't find that statistic to be particularly meaningful.

Sharia Law is the rules of life as stated by the Qur'an.
Many first generation immigrants from Islamic countries fled to the UK to get away from these laws.

What you don't understand is, Yes it does mean they want to stone adulterers.
Just because a person doesn't fully understand what they are voting for doesn't mean that the shit that they don't understand doesn't happen.
it doesn't matter how much of the 40% know of what they are voting for, the fact they are voting for it in the first place is the bad thing.

How is that any different from polling Americans and asking if the country should be run according to Christian principles? You'd probably get more than 40% approval out of that. Hell, I've heard America's laws being rooted in "judeo-christian" values many times in my life. In which case, that means death to homosexuals.

It isn't?
That's not what I'm saying.
Also are you aware of what a Fatwa is?

Yes. None of this is new to me.

Let me try to phrase your position to make sure I'm understanding it correctly: You don't want Muslims coming to the UK because 40% of them want to adhere to Islamic law which you feel is counter to UK "culture" and "society." Is that correct?

Very Basically... but correct.
That and all the other problems with Islam.
I don't mind defectors coming to the UK if anything more power to them making something better of themselves.
But the defectors can not believe in Islam.

[JennyB]

What percentage of these people that live in your community do you think are that conservative/fundamental? I've always found the major religions tend to have a broad spectrum of interpretation/adherence from conservative to basically "my parents used to do this, but I'm doing the minimum to keep them off my back." You grew up and presumably had friends of these backgrounds yet you see them as untrustworthy, disloyal, strict adherents of faith over country/community? Like all of them? This mindset is so baffling to me. I'm really trying to understand what kind of experiences led you to this.

Let me dumb this down,
Qur'an and therefor sharia law says i should be murdered, its not about the minority its about the majority.
Yeah so 60% of Muslims don't want sharia law (though i suspect that number is outdated) this doesn't then mean that the other 40% don't exist.
It's only a matter of time before that number gets higher with more people who are uninformed on how dangerous it is.
I don't want ANYONE who wants sharia in the UK, that's very fucking reasonable.

Alright, I had a three day weekend and now I'm sick with the flu so I'm just getting back to this and ignoring the fun that happened downstream of this last post.

What does supporting "sharia law" mean to you? My understanding is that it covers a large swath of societal interactions and has broad variety of interpretations as there is for Islam in general. From some brief google searches, the polling questions were far too surface level to really provide any kind of insight. It doesn't necessarily mean they want to stone adulterers, but perhaps the question means to them that they want to avoid riba by entering into interest free loans. You know, shit that has no impact on you. Consequently, I don't find that statistic to be particularly meaningful.

Sharia Law is the rules of life as stated by the Qur'an.
Many first generation immigrants from Islamic countries fled to the UK to get away from these laws.

What you don't understand is, Yes it does mean they want to stone adulterers.
Just because a person doesn't fully understand what they are voting for doesn't mean that the shit that they don't understand doesn't happen.
it doesn't matter how much of the 40% know of what they are voting for, the fact they are voting for it in the first place is the bad thing.

How is that any different from polling Americans and asking if the country should be run according to Christian principles? You'd probably get more than 40% approval out of that. Hell, I've heard America's laws being rooted in "judeo-christian" values many times in my life. In which case, that means death to homosexuals.

Hey, leave us out of this.

[Dr. Medulla]

[Sparky]

Whoa! I didn't know they had hillbilly MAGA's back in the 80's!

I especially liked Ms. Hillbilly's disdain for seatbelts and drinking and driving rules, particularly with a child in the baby car seat next to her.

[Dr. Medulla]

Whoa! I didn't know they had hillbilly MAGA's back in the 80's!

I especially liked Ms. Hillbilly's disdain for seatbelts and drinking and driving rules, particularly with a child in the baby car seat next to her.

Hey, she didn't want that child to grow up in a Communist country!

[XRCF]