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Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Jan 2023, 7:00am
Classical music, too?
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/202 ... -obsession
This is really excellent. I spent a lot of time around 2008–2016 wracking my brain about how to get the youth interested in classical music. The answer seems obvious in retrospect, but of course social media wasn't as powerful back when I was considering it, meaning that diversifying audiences was pretty much impossible. This is a great development.
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Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Jan 2023, 7:00am
Classical music, too?
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/202 ... -obsession
This is really excellent. I spent a lot of time around 2008–2016 wracking my brain about how to get the youth interested in classical music. The answer seems obvious in retrospect, but of course social media wasn't as powerful back when I was considering it, meaning that diversifying audiences was pretty much impossible. This is a great development.
Making it fun?

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revbob wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:40pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Jan 2023, 7:00am
Classical music, too?
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/202 ... -obsession
This is really excellent. I spent a lot of time around 2008–2016 wracking my brain about how to get the youth interested in classical music. The answer seems obvious in retrospect, but of course social media wasn't as powerful back when I was considering it, meaning that diversifying audiences was pretty much impossible. This is a great development.
Making it fun?
A big part would be to shift the expectation from it being something good for you, that you have to earn and be deferential toward, to making it something people can enjoy on their own terms. Which is to say, remove it from its elitist position and all that that entails.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:54pm
revbob wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:40pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Jan 2023, 7:00am
Classical music, too?
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/202 ... -obsession
This is really excellent. I spent a lot of time around 2008–2016 wracking my brain about how to get the youth interested in classical music. The answer seems obvious in retrospect, but of course social media wasn't as powerful back when I was considering it, meaning that diversifying audiences was pretty much impossible. This is a great development.
Making it fun?
A big part would be to shift the expectation from it being something good for you, that you have to earn and be deferential toward, to making it something people can enjoy on their own terms. Which is to say, remove it from its elitist position and all that that entails.
I said pretty much that to a guy who ran an Early/Baroque company and he never responded to me. I think he was offended that I'd try to make it accessible even though that's basically what he was asking me for my opinion on.
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Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:07pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:54pm
revbob wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:40pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Jan 2023, 7:00am
Classical music, too?
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/202 ... -obsession
This is really excellent. I spent a lot of time around 2008–2016 wracking my brain about how to get the youth interested in classical music. The answer seems obvious in retrospect, but of course social media wasn't as powerful back when I was considering it, meaning that diversifying audiences was pretty much impossible. This is a great development.
Making it fun?
A big part would be to shift the expectation from it being something good for you, that you have to earn and be deferential toward, to making it something people can enjoy on their own terms. Which is to say, remove it from its elitist position and all that that entails.
I said pretty much that to a guy who ran an Early/Baroque company and he never responded to me. I think he was offended that I'd try to make it accessible even though that's basically what he was asking me for my opinion on.
Coincidentally, I'm delivering a lecture later this week about how high culture was established in the US in the late 19th c, turning stuff like Shakespeare from democratic and populist entertainment to something highbrow, and so much of it was rooted in establishing behaviours of deference and earning it. It was deliberately about repositioning audience behaviour in a way that would exclude, which then came to be naturalized as highbrow vs lowbrow.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:23pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:07pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:54pm
revbob wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:40pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:21pm


This is really excellent. I spent a lot of time around 2008–2016 wracking my brain about how to get the youth interested in classical music. The answer seems obvious in retrospect, but of course social media wasn't as powerful back when I was considering it, meaning that diversifying audiences was pretty much impossible. This is a great development.
Making it fun?
A big part would be to shift the expectation from it being something good for you, that you have to earn and be deferential toward, to making it something people can enjoy on their own terms. Which is to say, remove it from its elitist position and all that that entails.
I said pretty much that to a guy who ran an Early/Baroque company and he never responded to me. I think he was offended that I'd try to make it accessible even though that's basically what he was asking me for my opinion on.
Coincidentally, I'm delivering a lecture later this week about how high culture was established in the US in the late 19th c, turning stuff like Shakespeare from democratic and populist entertainment to something highbrow, and so much of it was rooted in establishing behaviours of deference and earning it. It was deliberately about repositioning audience behaviour in a way that would exclude, which then came to be naturalized as highbrow vs lowbrow.
I will say, however, that a certain amount of deference is good, otherwise you're going to get people socializing throughout the whole damn thing. But that's just the deference that anybody should have for any art and respecting the people around them. Might be a reason kids haven't liked classical in the past, because they're not allowed to tiktok or whatever in the middle of a performance. Stupid kids.
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Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:47pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:23pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:07pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:54pm
revbob wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:40pm


Making it fun?
A big part would be to shift the expectation from it being something good for you, that you have to earn and be deferential toward, to making it something people can enjoy on their own terms. Which is to say, remove it from its elitist position and all that that entails.
I said pretty much that to a guy who ran an Early/Baroque company and he never responded to me. I think he was offended that I'd try to make it accessible even though that's basically what he was asking me for my opinion on.
Coincidentally, I'm delivering a lecture later this week about how high culture was established in the US in the late 19th c, turning stuff like Shakespeare from democratic and populist entertainment to something highbrow, and so much of it was rooted in establishing behaviours of deference and earning it. It was deliberately about repositioning audience behaviour in a way that would exclude, which then came to be naturalized as highbrow vs lowbrow.
I will say, however, that a certain amount of deference is good, otherwise you're going to get people socializing throughout the whole damn thing. But that's just the deference that anybody should have for any art and respecting the people around them. Might be a reason kids haven't liked classical in the past, because they're not allowed to tiktok or whatever in the middle of a performance. Stupid kids.
I'd rather people feel they're allowed to be exuberant and interactive, to show their interest. Let people show their investment into the experience.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 5:11pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:47pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:23pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:07pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 3:54pm


A big part would be to shift the expectation from it being something good for you, that you have to earn and be deferential toward, to making it something people can enjoy on their own terms. Which is to say, remove it from its elitist position and all that that entails.
I said pretty much that to a guy who ran an Early/Baroque company and he never responded to me. I think he was offended that I'd try to make it accessible even though that's basically what he was asking me for my opinion on.
Coincidentally, I'm delivering a lecture later this week about how high culture was established in the US in the late 19th c, turning stuff like Shakespeare from democratic and populist entertainment to something highbrow, and so much of it was rooted in establishing behaviours of deference and earning it. It was deliberately about repositioning audience behaviour in a way that would exclude, which then came to be naturalized as highbrow vs lowbrow.
I will say, however, that a certain amount of deference is good, otherwise you're going to get people socializing throughout the whole damn thing. But that's just the deference that anybody should have for any art and respecting the people around them. Might be a reason kids haven't liked classical in the past, because they're not allowed to tiktok or whatever in the middle of a performance. Stupid kids.
I'd rather people feel they're allowed to be exuberant and interactive, to show their interest. Let people show their investment into the experience.
I can tell you that even zoomer violinists aren't going to be very interested in playing for an audience that's talking throughout.
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Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 5:14pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 5:11pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:47pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:23pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:07pm


I said pretty much that to a guy who ran an Early/Baroque company and he never responded to me. I think he was offended that I'd try to make it accessible even though that's basically what he was asking me for my opinion on.
Coincidentally, I'm delivering a lecture later this week about how high culture was established in the US in the late 19th c, turning stuff like Shakespeare from democratic and populist entertainment to something highbrow, and so much of it was rooted in establishing behaviours of deference and earning it. It was deliberately about repositioning audience behaviour in a way that would exclude, which then came to be naturalized as highbrow vs lowbrow.
I will say, however, that a certain amount of deference is good, otherwise you're going to get people socializing throughout the whole damn thing. But that's just the deference that anybody should have for any art and respecting the people around them. Might be a reason kids haven't liked classical in the past, because they're not allowed to tiktok or whatever in the middle of a performance. Stupid kids.
I'd rather people feel they're allowed to be exuberant and interactive, to show their interest. Let people show their investment into the experience.
I can tell you that even zoomer violinists aren't going to be very interested in playing for an audience that's talking throughout.
That's on them. Rock bands are used to people talking while they play, so why not people in an orchestra?
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 5:28pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 5:14pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 5:11pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:47pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:23pm


Coincidentally, I'm delivering a lecture later this week about how high culture was established in the US in the late 19th c, turning stuff like Shakespeare from democratic and populist entertainment to something highbrow, and so much of it was rooted in establishing behaviours of deference and earning it. It was deliberately about repositioning audience behaviour in a way that would exclude, which then came to be naturalized as highbrow vs lowbrow.
I will say, however, that a certain amount of deference is good, otherwise you're going to get people socializing throughout the whole damn thing. But that's just the deference that anybody should have for any art and respecting the people around them. Might be a reason kids haven't liked classical in the past, because they're not allowed to tiktok or whatever in the middle of a performance. Stupid kids.
I'd rather people feel they're allowed to be exuberant and interactive, to show their interest. Let people show their investment into the experience.
I can tell you that even zoomer violinists aren't going to be very interested in playing for an audience that's talking throughout.
That's on them. Rock bands are used to people talking while they play, so why not people in an orchestra?
For one, it's quieter, so the sound gets drowned out much easier, especially with chamber music. I think if people want to talk, they can go to the bar or do it after the show—there's a matter of consideration for the people around you who don't want to have the thing they came to hear drowned out by the conversation of somebody next to them. I don't see much difference between this and people talking during a lecture, book reading, or movie.
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Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 8:48pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 5:28pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 5:14pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 5:11pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 4:47pm


I will say, however, that a certain amount of deference is good, otherwise you're going to get people socializing throughout the whole damn thing. But that's just the deference that anybody should have for any art and respecting the people around them. Might be a reason kids haven't liked classical in the past, because they're not allowed to tiktok or whatever in the middle of a performance. Stupid kids.
I'd rather people feel they're allowed to be exuberant and interactive, to show their interest. Let people show their investment into the experience.
I can tell you that even zoomer violinists aren't going to be very interested in playing for an audience that's talking throughout.
That's on them. Rock bands are used to people talking while they play, so why not people in an orchestra?
For one, it's quieter, so the sound gets drowned out much easier, especially with chamber music. I think if people want to talk, they can go to the bar or do it after the show—there's a matter of consideration for the people around you who don't want to have the thing they came to hear drowned out by the conversation of somebody next to them. I don't see much difference between this and people talking during a lecture, book reading, or movie.
All solid points. I suppose I'd argue to people to be less disruptive for social reasons rather than out of reverence for the performance. Ultimately, what I'm arguing for is that audiences shouldn't enter into a situation where they feel cowed by what is to come, to believe they have to prove themselves worthy somehow.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 9:16pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 8:48pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 5:28pm
Kory wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 5:14pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jan 2023, 5:11pm


I'd rather people feel they're allowed to be exuberant and interactive, to show their interest. Let people show their investment into the experience.
I can tell you that even zoomer violinists aren't going to be very interested in playing for an audience that's talking throughout.
That's on them. Rock bands are used to people talking while they play, so why not people in an orchestra?
For one, it's quieter, so the sound gets drowned out much easier, especially with chamber music. I think if people want to talk, they can go to the bar or do it after the show—there's a matter of consideration for the people around you who don't want to have the thing they came to hear drowned out by the conversation of somebody next to them. I don't see much difference between this and people talking during a lecture, book reading, or movie.
All solid points. I suppose I'd argue to people to be less disruptive for social reasons rather than out of reverence for the performance. Ultimately, what I'm arguing for is that audiences shouldn't enter into a situation where they feel cowed by what is to come, to believe they have to prove themselves worthy somehow.
Yeah I definitely agree with that.
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Kory is just trying to make it against the law for me to relentlessly boo him in concert. That's a Cancel Culture, people!
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