San Fransisco is a wealthy yuppie shithole dystopia. If you ever want to see wealth inequality in action, there you go. Not quite at the level of Hong Kong and people sleeping in cages but headed there...
Late stage capitalism
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Re: Late stage capitalism
Fuck me, how does anyone live in London? No chance to get a mortgage, no chance to save, just dead money after dead money and no opportunity to invest in your future. I spent some very happy years of my life there, but it was affordable then. I could easily have bought a flat or appartment if I'd wanted to. Or was any way business savvy at all.
Re: Late stage capitalism
Wow, that's pretty bad. Our daughter opted to move out of state a couple of years ago because she was paying so much in rent it was virtually impossible to save anything. In the state she moved to they have a house with a mortgage that's probably half what rent was here.Low Down Low wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 11:37amFuck me, how does anyone live in London? No chance to get a mortgage, no chance to save, just dead money after dead money and no opportunity to invest in your future. I spent some very happy years of my life there, but it was affordable then. I could easily have bought a flat or appartment if I'd wanted to. Or was any way business savvy at all.
God, what a mess, on the ladder of success
Where you take one step and miss the whole first rung
Where you take one step and miss the whole first rung
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Re: Late stage capitalism
I'm sure NYC is as bad and likely worse. I think there's no contest personally between living comfortably in the relative styx and existing in a shoebox in the city, but lots of people just don't have that choice. The life of commuter hell is only marginally more appealing, if at all.Sparky wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 11:52amWow, that's pretty bad. Our daughter opted to move out of state a couple of years ago because she was paying so much in rent it was virtually impossible to save anything. In the state she moved to they have a house with a mortgage that's probably half what rent was here.Low Down Low wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 11:37amFuck me, how does anyone live in London? No chance to get a mortgage, no chance to save, just dead money after dead money and no opportunity to invest in your future. I spent some very happy years of my life there, but it was affordable then. I could easily have bought a flat or appartment if I'd wanted to. Or was any way business savvy at all.
Re: Late stage capitalism
Hello,Low Down Low wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 12:42pmI'm sure NYC is as bad and likely worse. I think there's no contest personally between living comfortably in the relative styx and existing in a shoebox in the city, but lots of people just don't have that choice. The life of commuter hell is only marginally more appealing, if at all.Sparky wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 11:52amWow, that's pretty bad. Our daughter opted to move out of state a couple of years ago because she was paying so much in rent it was virtually impossible to save anything. In the state she moved to they have a house with a mortgage that's probably half what rent was here.Low Down Low wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 11:37amFuck me, how does anyone live in London? No chance to get a mortgage, no chance to save, just dead money after dead money and no opportunity to invest in your future. I spent some very happy years of my life there, but it was affordable then. I could easily have bought a flat or appartment if I'd wanted to. Or was any way business savvy at all.
When I lived in New York, Manhattan was (and still is) way too expensive. The outer boroughs used to be reasonable. I think Queens is still tolerable but parts of Brooklyn became way too hip. It's slowed somewhat from what people tell me. Then again, there's always North Jersey.
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Re: Late stage capitalism
I stay with family in Long Island City when I visit New York and it was still relatively untouched up to around 7-8 years ago but the gentrifiers had well and truly moved in by the time of my last visit so I imagine won't be long before most people are priced out of it. Some areas of Queens like Astoria and Jackson Heights are still quite nice from what I've seen.gkbill wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 2:26pmHello,Low Down Low wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 12:42pmI'm sure NYC is as bad and likely worse. I think there's no contest personally between living comfortably in the relative styx and existing in a shoebox in the city, but lots of people just don't have that choice. The life of commuter hell is only marginally more appealing, if at all.Sparky wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 11:52amWow, that's pretty bad. Our daughter opted to move out of state a couple of years ago because she was paying so much in rent it was virtually impossible to save anything. In the state she moved to they have a house with a mortgage that's probably half what rent was here.Low Down Low wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 11:37amFuck me, how does anyone live in London? No chance to get a mortgage, no chance to save, just dead money after dead money and no opportunity to invest in your future. I spent some very happy years of my life there, but it was affordable then. I could easily have bought a flat or appartment if I'd wanted to. Or was any way business savvy at all.
When I lived in New York, Manhattan was (and still is) way too expensive. The outer boroughs used to be reasonable. I think Queens is still tolerable but parts of Brooklyn became way too hip. It's slowed somewhat from what people tell me. Then again, there's always North Jersey.
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Re: Late stage capitalism
I lived in LIC for 4 years and had a very good time there. We had left Chelsea when out one bedroom hit $3000 a month. We left LIC in 2017 when our rent was about to hit... $3000 a month. I do miss Petey Burger.Low Down Low wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 2:49pmI stay with family in Long Island City when I visit New York and it was still relatively untouched up to around 7-8 years ago but the gentrifiers had well and truly moved in by the time of my last visit so I imagine won't be long before most people are priced out of it. Some areas of Queens like Astoria and Jackson Heights are still quite nice from what I've seen.gkbill wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 2:26pmHello,Low Down Low wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 12:42pmI'm sure NYC is as bad and likely worse. I think there's no contest personally between living comfortably in the relative styx and existing in a shoebox in the city, but lots of people just don't have that choice. The life of commuter hell is only marginally more appealing, if at all.Sparky wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 11:52amWow, that's pretty bad. Our daughter opted to move out of state a couple of years ago because she was paying so much in rent it was virtually impossible to save anything. In the state she moved to they have a house with a mortgage that's probably half what rent was here.Low Down Low wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 11:37amFuck me, how does anyone live in London? No chance to get a mortgage, no chance to save, just dead money after dead money and no opportunity to invest in your future. I spent some very happy years of my life there, but it was affordable then. I could easily have bought a flat or appartment if I'd wanted to. Or was any way business savvy at all.
When I lived in New York, Manhattan was (and still is) way too expensive. The outer boroughs used to be reasonable. I think Queens is still tolerable but parts of Brooklyn became way too hip. It's slowed somewhat from what people tell me. Then again, there's always North Jersey.
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Re: Late stage capitalism
Spent the summer of 2017 there, my last visit to New York. Not sure of the exact figure but pretty sure my brother was paying more than that for what I'd consider merely a reasonably comfortable one bed apartment. He'd made a similar journey from the east village to LIC around 2012/13.BostonBeaneater wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 9:29pmI lived in LIC for 4 years and had a very good time there. We had left Chelsea when out one bedroom hit $3000 a month. We left LIC in 2017 when our rent was about to hit... $3000 a month. I do miss Petey Burger.Low Down Low wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 2:49pmI stay with family in Long Island City when I visit New York and it was still relatively untouched up to around 7-8 years ago but the gentrifiers had well and truly moved in by the time of my last visit so I imagine won't be long before most people are priced out of it. Some areas of Queens like Astoria and Jackson Heights are still quite nice from what I've seen.gkbill wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 2:26pmHello,Low Down Low wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 12:42pmI'm sure NYC is as bad and likely worse. I think there's no contest personally between living comfortably in the relative styx and existing in a shoebox in the city, but lots of people just don't have that choice. The life of commuter hell is only marginally more appealing, if at all.Sparky wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 11:52am
Wow, that's pretty bad. Our daughter opted to move out of state a couple of years ago because she was paying so much in rent it was virtually impossible to save anything. In the state she moved to they have a house with a mortgage that's probably half what rent was here.
When I lived in New York, Manhattan was (and still is) way too expensive. The outer boroughs used to be reasonable. I think Queens is still tolerable but parts of Brooklyn became way too hip. It's slowed somewhat from what people tell me. Then again, there's always North Jersey.
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Re: Late stage capitalism
Yeah not good. So many foreign investors buying up whole streets there. Putting rents up to stupid amounts and the prices of properties skyrocketing. I lived in Reading which is 30 miles from London and it's basically a mini London and the prices there are also nuts.Low Down Low wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 11:37amFuck me, how does anyone live in London? No chance to get a mortgage, no chance to save, just dead money after dead money and no opportunity to invest in your future. I spent some very happy years of my life there, but it was affordable then. I could easily have bought a flat or appartment if I'd wanted to. Or was any way business savvy at all.
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Re: Late stage capitalism
Vultures, pure and simple. Can't blame the market anyway, just doing what it's supposed to do. Supply and demand and all that rot.Marky Dread wrote: ↑07 Sep 2021, 4:54amYeah not good. So many foreign investors buying up whole streets there. Putting rents up to stupid amounts and the prices of properties skyrocketing. I lived in Reading which is 30 miles from London and it's basically a mini London and the prices there are also nuts.Low Down Low wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 11:37amFuck me, how does anyone live in London? No chance to get a mortgage, no chance to save, just dead money after dead money and no opportunity to invest in your future. I spent some very happy years of my life there, but it was affordable then. I could easily have bought a flat or appartment if I'd wanted to. Or was any way business savvy at all.
Re: Late stage capitalism
This is the story in Seattle, too. A lot of places purchased and left empty.Marky Dread wrote: ↑07 Sep 2021, 4:54amYeah not good. So many foreign investors buying up whole streets there. Putting rents up to stupid amounts and the prices of properties skyrocketing. I lived in Reading which is 30 miles from London and it's basically a mini London and the prices there are also nuts.Low Down Low wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 11:37amFuck me, how does anyone live in London? No chance to get a mortgage, no chance to save, just dead money after dead money and no opportunity to invest in your future. I spent some very happy years of my life there, but it was affordable then. I could easily have bought a flat or appartment if I'd wanted to. Or was any way business savvy at all.
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Re: Late stage capitalism
Ottawa's also gone insane. We've had our house for six years now and, yes, we've ploughed money into some upgrades, the value has more than doubled. Which, yay, great for us, but it's consigning huge, huge chunks of the population to renter status in an infrastructure designed for private ownership. Eventually something has to break.
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Re: Late stage capitalism
You all will be shocked to know that the cost of living and housing is very reasonable here in St. Louis!
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Re: Late stage capitalism
Shit we couldn't buy a toilet for this money here.
Forces have been looting
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Curfews have been curbing
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We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
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Re: Late stage capitalism
But, on the downside...St. Louis.
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