A Long Hot Summer begins (a dumpster fire chat)

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tepista wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 7:29pm
they kept us home from work yesterday, but not today. My neighborhood has 2000 people in it, so I leave work in an hour, no idea how I'mm getting home.
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tepista wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 8:42pm
tepista wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 7:29pm
they kept us home from work yesterday, but not today. My neighborhood has 2000 people in it, so I leave work in an hour, no idea how I'mm getting home.
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Let’s see who starts the riot. My bet is on the white kid in body armor.
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Spiff wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 11:49am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
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revbob wrote:
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BostonBeaneater wrote:
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...it's because cops are given a greater, a much greater, benefit of the doubt.

It means they can lawfully kill you if they merely perceive you as a treat, even if you weren't a threat and when they judged you as a (mistaken) threat, they weren't doing so by a "reasonable" standard, which I -- a non-cop -- would be judged by.

The reasoning is that cops have to make split-second decisions and are generally assumed to be trying to do the right thing.

That's why it's tough to send them to jail.

I'll add that policing in the States have become increasingly militant in my lifetime. After 9/11 there was so much public money pumped into 'security' and police forces have been equipped with military equipment, trained in military tactics, and staffed by our mentally damaged veterans. It's a shitty situation.
Yeah this is a big part of the problem, the militarization of the police.

When you dress, equip and train a cop to be a soldier and perhaps even recruit from their ranks you have soldiers. What are soldiers traditionally used for and trained to do?
It reflects and encourages a switch in mentality. A traditional police officer sees him/herself as a part of the community, moving about comfortably. The soldier cop treats the terrain as enemy territory, others as potential enemies. Strip cops of the body armour and weaponry and you bring them back down to the level of citizen.
Others have listed the reasons why this mentality has taken hold, and I'll add one more that is a major factor.

Unlike cops in most other places in the world, cops in the USA must assume that anyone they approach is armed.

And that's the mindset a U.S. cop has when engaging with the public. Obviously, a big factor in how any interactions move forward, what with a cop already on edge due to the real fear that things could escalate to a deadly encounter very rapidly.

Thanks, Second Amendment!
That is a very good point and one I had not considered before.
Obviously there must be links between Police behaviour and gun control (or lack of).
I don’t see how the 2 can be isolated.

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Had to drive downtown tonight and the national guard had every precinct we drove by on lockdown. Soldiers with machine guns on the roof. Crazy shit. I don’t feel like it was a great move by the governor to call them in.
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WestwayKid wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 10:53pm
Had to drive downtown tonight and the national guard had every precinct we drove by on lockdown. Soldiers with machine guns on the roof. Crazy shit. I don’t feel like it was a great move by the governor to call them in.
Its a setup for a major incident that has occurred so many times before in so many places.

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Hi all - Omar and Pressley have introduced a bill addressing police brutality. If you are in the USA and so inclined, please sign this petition that will go directly to your house member: https://www.ncjw.org/act/action/condemn ... brutality/
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JennyB wrote:
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Hi all - Omar and Pressley have introduced a bill addressing police brutality. If you are in the USA and so inclined, please sign this petition that will go directly to your house member: https://www.ncjw.org/act/action/condemn ... brutality/
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Flex wrote:
03 Jun 2020, 11:24am
JennyB wrote:
03 Jun 2020, 11:14am
Hi all - Omar and Pressley have introduced a bill addressing police brutality. If you are in the USA and so inclined, please sign this petition that will go directly to your house member: https://www.ncjw.org/act/action/condemn ... brutality/
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JennyB wrote:
03 Jun 2020, 11:41am
Flex wrote:
03 Jun 2020, 11:24am
JennyB wrote:
03 Jun 2020, 11:14am
Hi all - Omar and Pressley have introduced a bill addressing police brutality. If you are in the USA and so inclined, please sign this petition that will go directly to your house member: https://www.ncjw.org/act/action/condemn ... brutality/
Done.
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BostonBeaneater wrote:
03 Jun 2020, 2:26pm
JennyB wrote:
03 Jun 2020, 11:41am
Flex wrote:
03 Jun 2020, 11:24am
JennyB wrote:
03 Jun 2020, 11:14am
Hi all - Omar and Pressley have introduced a bill addressing police brutality. If you are in the USA and so inclined, please sign this petition that will go directly to your house member: https://www.ncjw.org/act/action/condemn ... brutality/
Done.
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Cops in Asheville, NC, destroying a medical aid station for protestors. They claimed that bottles could be used to throw at cops. How fucking lousy is their riot gear to make that kind of pathetic excuse?
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
03 Jun 2020, 5:12pm

Cops in Asheville, NC, destroying a medical aid station for protestors. They claimed that bottles could be used to throw at cops. How fucking lousy is their riot gear to make that kind of pathetic excuse?
There should be a repository of cop tattoos so were can better identify which white power gang they are in.
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BostonBeaneater wrote:
03 Jun 2020, 5:20pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
03 Jun 2020, 5:12pm

Cops in Asheville, NC, destroying a medical aid station for protestors. They claimed that bottles could be used to throw at cops. How fucking lousy is their riot gear to make that kind of pathetic excuse?
There should be a repository of cop tattoos so were can better identify which white power gang they are in.
Yet another way that warrior cops try to intimidate. A roided up fucker with arms drenched in ink sends the message that he's not there to help or protect, but to fuck you up if you don't comply immediately.
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