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Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 29 Jul 2020, 11:39am
by Flex
Not signing onto m4a I get from a donor perspective bad though it is, but the marijuana thing is baffling. There's no major monied interest that I can really discern that's big opponents. I don't think the pharmaceutical industry really cares, which is the only real opposition I could think of at this point.
Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 29 Jul 2020, 11:40am
by Wolter
Flex wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 11:39am
Not signing onto m4a I get from a donor perspective bad though it is, but the marijuana thing is baffling. There's no major monied interest that I can really discern that's big opponents. I don't think the pharmaceutical industry really cares, which is the only real opposition I could think of at this point.
Never underestimate pharma’s ability to undermine things just because.
To be honest, I think this is a case of most Democrats literally unable to realize it’s no longer 1996 until they are forced to.
Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 29 Jul 2020, 11:43am
by BostonBeaneater
Wolter wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 11:40am
Flex wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 11:39am
Not signing onto m4a I get from a donor perspective bad though it is, but the marijuana thing is baffling. There's no major monied interest that I can really discern that's big opponents. I don't think the pharmaceutical industry really cares, which is the only real opposition I could think of at this point.
Never underestimate pharma’s ability to undermine things just because.
To be honest, I think this is a case of most Democrats literally unable to realize it’s no longer 1996 until they are forced to.
I'm sure they'd prefer selling anti-nausea and anti-anxiety meds rather than have people finding relief in a $2 a pop weed gummie.
Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 29 Jul 2020, 11:55am
by revbob
BostonBeaneater wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 11:43am
Wolter wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 11:40am
Flex wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 11:39am
Not signing onto m4a I get from a donor perspective bad though it is, but the marijuana thing is baffling. There's no major monied interest that I can really discern that's big opponents. I don't think the pharmaceutical industry really cares, which is the only real opposition I could think of at this point.
Never underestimate pharma’s ability to undermine things just because.
To be honest, I think this is a case of most Democrats literally unable to realize it’s no longer 1996 until they are forced to.
I'm sure they'd prefer selling anti-nausea and anti-anxiety meds rather than have people finding relief in a $2 a pop weed gummie.
Well that's part of it right? The profit chain hasn't been fully fleshed out yet right? How much and who gets it.
Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 29 Jul 2020, 11:57am
by Flex
MJ is already, and going to continue to be, a huge, huge corporate business. Patenting strains, massive manufacturing sites. If phrma (or any other adjacent indistry) is actually opposed rather than buying up land to build giant grow facilities and working on strain patents, they're missing the boat. In 10 years the marijuana industry is going to be just as evil and repulsive as any other in this country. We've already been seeing it in Colorado, once it finally gets legal nationally the profiteering floodgates are gonna open real wide for a small handful of bio-pharmaceuticals and maybe some factory farming corps.
Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 29 Jul 2020, 12:22pm
by Dr. Medulla
One oddity from the pandemic is a number of local pot shops went under. I figured those places would be fine but seemingly the market is more unsteady than I thought.
Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 29 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
by Wolter
Flex wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 11:57am
MJ is already, and going to continue to be, a huge, huge corporate business. Patenting strains, massive manufacturing sites. If phrma (or any other adjacent indistry) is actually opposed rather than buying up land to build giant grow facilities and working on strain patents, they're missing the boat. In 10 years the marijuana industry is going to be just as evil and repulsive as any other in this country. We've already been seeing it in Colorado, once it finally gets legal nationally the profiteering floodgates are gonna open real wide for a small handful of bio-pharmaceuticals and maybe some factory farming corps.
Oh, the number of wealthy whites people in IL taking all the licenses while poor Black people linger in jail on possession charges is phenomenal.
Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 29 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
by BostonBeaneater
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 12:22pm
One oddity from the pandemic is a number of local pot shops went under. I figured those places would be fine but seemingly the market is more unsteady than I thought.
I get mine in chocolate form made by a laid off pastry chef.
Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 29 Jul 2020, 12:30pm
by Dr. Medulla
Wolter wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
Flex wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 11:57am
MJ is already, and going to continue to be, a huge, huge corporate business. Patenting strains, massive manufacturing sites. If phrma (or any other adjacent indistry) is actually opposed rather than buying up land to build giant grow facilities and working on strain patents, they're missing the boat. In 10 years the marijuana industry is going to be just as evil and repulsive as any other in this country. We've already been seeing it in Colorado, once it finally gets legal nationally the profiteering floodgates are gonna open real wide for a small handful of bio-pharmaceuticals and maybe some factory farming corps.
Oh, the number of wealthy whites people in IL taking all the licenses while poor Black people linger in jail on possession charges is phenomenal.
It was funny/not funny by how many prominent retired Conservative politicians who were firmly on board with anti-pot propaganda back in the 80s and 90s were early investors once legalization was a certainty. Utterly shameless.
Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 29 Jul 2020, 12:31pm
by Dr. Medulla
BostonBeaneater wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 12:22pm
One oddity from the pandemic is a number of local pot shops went under. I figured those places would be fine but seemingly the market is more unsteady than I thought.
I get mine in chocolate form made by a laid off pastry chef.
You're not worried that it might be a gateway to harder stuff like tortes and mousses?
Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 29 Jul 2020, 12:57pm
by BostonBeaneater
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 12:31pm
BostonBeaneater wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 12:22pm
One oddity from the pandemic is a number of local pot shops went under. I figured those places would be fine but seemingly the market is more unsteady than I thought.
I get mine in chocolate form made by a laid off pastry chef.
You're not worried that it might be a gateway to harder stuff like tortes and mousses?
The Fruiti Pebbles bars are the tits.
Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 29 Jul 2020, 1:32pm
by Kory
BostonBeaneater wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 12:57pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 12:31pm
BostonBeaneater wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 12:22pm
One oddity from the pandemic is a number of local pot shops went under. I figured those places would be fine but seemingly the market is more unsteady than I thought.
I get mine in chocolate form made by a laid off pastry chef.
You're not worried that it might be a gateway to harder stuff like tortes and mousses?
The Fruiti Pebbles bars are the tits.
Oh SHIT I need that. Forget the weed, even.
Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 15 Aug 2022, 12:17pm
by Dr. Medulla
https://popehat.substack.com/p/the-phil ... ncoherence
The set-up: Two prominent academics (apparently; I don't know who they are) whine about cancel culture because high school students quietly walked out of the auditorium while one was giving a speech littered with a certain racial slur. Which is what complaints about cancel culture have always been about: how dare you disrespect me, you homunculi!
Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 15 Aug 2022, 12:36pm
by Flex
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 Aug 2022, 12:17pm
https://popehat.substack.com/p/the-phil ... ncoherence
The set-up: Two prominent academics (apparently; I don't know who they are) whine about cancel culture because high school students quietly walked out of the auditorium while one was giving a speech littered with a certain racial slur. Which is what complaints about cancel culture have always been about: how dare you disrespect me, you homunculi!
Mickey Kaus, a right wing commentator, is quite explicit about this on a podcast I listen to that he co-hosts (why I subject myself to that is another issue worth exploring). He complains that "cancel culture" is when blue checks on twitter can mute or block him and not engage with what he has to say. Which, lol. It really is just a case of reactionary shitheads learning a bunch of people don't find them impressive or worth the time.
Re: The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech
Posted: 15 Aug 2022, 12:41pm
by Dr. Medulla
Flex wrote: ↑15 Aug 2022, 12:36pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 Aug 2022, 12:17pm
https://popehat.substack.com/p/the-phil ... ncoherence
The set-up: Two prominent academics (apparently; I don't know who they are) whine about cancel culture because high school students quietly walked out of the auditorium while one was giving a speech littered with a certain racial slur. Which is what complaints about cancel culture have always been about: how dare you disrespect me, you homunculi!
Mickey Kaus, a right wing commentator, is quite explicit about this on a podcast I listen to that he co-hosts (why I subject myself to that is another issue worth exploring). He complains that "cancel culture" is when blue checks on twitter can mute or block him and not engage with what he has to say. Which, lol. It really is just a case of reactionary shitheads learning a bunch of people don't find them impressive or worth the time.
Yup, it's a status/ego thing, not a free speech question. I remember when Kavanaugh gave his unhinged "I like beer" testimony, someone observed that the subtext—his body language, his inflection—was "how dare you." The irony is that these are also the people who will rage against elites when this kind of carping is all about asserting the privilege of elites—the expected deference of their lessers.