I've been triggered by a Love Gun.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 11:09amMarky Dread wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 11:04amI believe they were only given away free in the first 20,000 copies. All copies released after that contained the nude Gene poster.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 10:51amWhere's my fucking cyanide capsule?!Marky Dread wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 10:49amI read it. I'm stunned to know you are secretly an admirer of "Love Gun".Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 9:49am*deleted comment; I was speaking out of turn; apologies to anyone who read it*Heston wrote:*swoon*
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There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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It's important to go public with these experiences. Sure, maybe the police won't listen, but others need to know they aren't alone.Heston wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 11:18amI've been triggered by a Love Gun.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 11:09amMarky Dread wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 11:04amI believe they were only given away free in the first 20,000 copies. All copies released after that contained the nude Gene poster.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 10:51amWhere's my fucking cyanide capsule?!Marky Dread wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 10:49am
I read it. I'm stunned to know you are secretly an admirer of "Love Gun".Heston wrote:*swoon*
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There should be a hyphen in Assange though.JennyB wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 10:25amAnd you obviously didn't read the article, because it's not only about the Proud Boys but the misogyny from the left that enables them.Howard Beale wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 12:01amOK, so...JennyB wrote: ↑11 May 2023, 1:17pmThe Assange apologists should maybe read this. You can go on and on all you want about your disdain for rape culture, but you are helping to perpetuate it. You're rape apologists. Own it and maybe you can start to do better.
https://jezebel.com/far-right-misogyny- ... 1850425597
Also, Howard, if you aren't Jewish, don't you DARE fucking try to tell me what and what isn't antisemitic.
To everyone else, sorry about this. As someone who just saw her state legislature destroy the lives of trans kids yesterday, erode our voting rights and even further push abortion rights down the drain, I have had it up to HERE with Very Online Leftists who don't do shit.
•Encouraging people to do their own research and advocating for sexual assault allegations to be properly adjudicated in court is being a rape apologist.
•It's totally okay to label someone an anti-Semite without offering any evidence.
Got it. Flawless logic there. And posting a random article about the Proud Boys has what to do with anything, exactly? You haven't addressed my argument at all—and you're obviously not going to.
I don't work for you. You can do your own research. There is plenty of evidence that suggests that Assange is an antisemite. There's also no hyphen in antisemite, Howard.
Besides your rants online, what exactly are you doing to alleviate the world's ills, Howard?
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Oh SNAPMarky Dread wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 1:45pmThere should be a hyphen in Assange though.JennyB wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 10:25amAnd you obviously didn't read the article, because it's not only about the Proud Boys but the misogyny from the left that enables them.Howard Beale wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 12:01amOK, so...JennyB wrote: ↑11 May 2023, 1:17pmThe Assange apologists should maybe read this. You can go on and on all you want about your disdain for rape culture, but you are helping to perpetuate it. You're rape apologists. Own it and maybe you can start to do better.
https://jezebel.com/far-right-misogyny- ... 1850425597
Also, Howard, if you aren't Jewish, don't you DARE fucking try to tell me what and what isn't antisemitic.
To everyone else, sorry about this. As someone who just saw her state legislature destroy the lives of trans kids yesterday, erode our voting rights and even further push abortion rights down the drain, I have had it up to HERE with Very Online Leftists who don't do shit.
•Encouraging people to do their own research and advocating for sexual assault allegations to be properly adjudicated in court is being a rape apologist.
•It's totally okay to label someone an anti-Semite without offering any evidence.
Got it. Flawless logic there. And posting a random article about the Proud Boys has what to do with anything, exactly? You haven't addressed my argument at all—and you're obviously not going to.
I don't work for you. You can do your own research. There is plenty of evidence that suggests that Assange is an antisemite. There's also no hyphen in antisemite, Howard.
Besides your rants online, what exactly are you doing to alleviate the world's ills, Howard?
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I think Heston got them allMarky Dread wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 11:04amI believe they were only given away free in the first 20,000 copies. All copies released after that contained the nude Gene poster.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 10:51amWhere's my fucking cyanide capsule?!Marky Dread wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 10:49amI read it. I'm stunned to know you are secretly an admirer of "Love Gun".Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 9:49am*deleted comment; I was speaking out of turn; apologies to anyone who read it*
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When did I ever claim that I'm alleviating the world's ills? I certainly do my best not to add to them.
Then show it to me. You made the claim, therefore the onus is on you to present the evidence.
Fair point. Duly noted; apologies.
That'd be an interesting discussion to have in another thread, but what does the left enabling misogyny have to do with me defending freedom of the press (something that, unsurprisingly, absolutely no one here seems to give a shit about)? Again, the case in Sweden is a side-issue that I made clear I had no interest in debating and that I respect that people can have differing opinions about.
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No one? You like to assume too much.Howard Beale wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 1:39amWhen did I ever claim that I'm alleviating the world's ills? I certainly do my best not to add to them.
Then show it to me. You made the claim, therefore the onus is on you to present the evidence.
Fair point. Duly noted; apologies.
That'd be an interesting discussion to have in another thread, but what does the left enabling misogyny have to do with me defending freedom of the press (something that, unsurprisingly, absolutely no one here seems to give a shit about)? Again, the case in Sweden is a side-issue that I made clear I had no interest in debating and that I respect that people can have differing opinions about.
And the rape case is merely a "side-issue". The name of the thread is called "Julian Assange". I understand that the allegations were made about him. So surely that makes it very much part of the issue. But hey just brush that aside.
Should Julian be in prison? No I don't believe so for the documents and leaks etc.
Should Julian face trial over the rape allegations? Yes I believe so.
Would Julian get a fair trial? Very difficult to say as he may well have prejudiced himself through his other activities. But we would have to hope those in the courts remain impartial.
These are my views here I don't expect, want or care if anyone else agrees. Because it is down to the individual to choose.
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My original post centered on what the current prosecution of Assange (by the US government) potentially means for the future of press freedom:Marky Dread wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 3:17amNo one? You like to assume too much.Howard Beale wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 1:39amWhen did I ever claim that I'm alleviating the world's ills? I certainly do my best not to add to them.
Then show it to me. You made the claim, therefore the onus is on you to present the evidence.
Fair point. Duly noted; apologies.
That'd be an interesting discussion to have in another thread, but what does the left enabling misogyny have to do with me defending freedom of the press (something that, unsurprisingly, absolutely no one here seems to give a shit about)? Again, the case in Sweden is a side-issue that I made clear I had no interest in debating and that I respect that people can have differing opinions about.
And the rape case is merely a "side-issue". The name of the thread is called "Julian Assange". I understand that the allegations were made about him. So surely that makes it very much part of the issue. But hey just brush that aside.
Absolutely no one engaged with that argument or addressed it in any way—and the molestation case (the formal rape charge was dropped early on, by the original prosecutor) is a side issue in relation to that argument. I'm still yet to see anyone address my point about the precedent that's being set here.Whatever your personal feelings about Julian Assange, that's completely beside the point right now; what's at stake here is much bigger than just Assange. If the precedent is set that the United States is allowed to extradite a foreign journalist to a kangaroo court in Virginia for publishing damaging information about the activities of its government, the long-term deleterious effect it will have on all future journalism—on a global scale, mind you—is pretty fucking hard to overstate. Don't normalize what's happening here.
EDIT: Also, it's not "brushing aside" the case in Sweden—if you actually want to see a trial happen there and for that case to be adjudicated, that would necessitate Assange's release from his current predicament.
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I don't think I had finished my post before you zoomed in. I had put that Julian shouldn't be in prison here. So then he would indeed be free to face the allegations.Howard Beale wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 3:32amMy original post centered on what the current prosecution of Assange (by the US government) potentially means for the future of press freedom:Marky Dread wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 3:17amNo one? You like to assume too much.Howard Beale wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 1:39amWhen did I ever claim that I'm alleviating the world's ills? I certainly do my best not to add to them.
Then show it to me. You made the claim, therefore the onus is on you to present the evidence.
Fair point. Duly noted; apologies.
That'd be an interesting discussion to have in another thread, but what does the left enabling misogyny have to do with me defending freedom of the press (something that, unsurprisingly, absolutely no one here seems to give a shit about)? Again, the case in Sweden is a side-issue that I made clear I had no interest in debating and that I respect that people can have differing opinions about.
And the rape case is merely a "side-issue". The name of the thread is called "Julian Assange". I understand that the allegations were made about him. So surely that makes it very much part of the issue. But hey just brush that aside.Absolutely no one engaged with that argument or addressed it in any way—and the molestation case (the formal rape charge was dropped early on, by the original prosecutor) is a side issue in relation to that argument. I'm still yet to see anyone address my point about the precedent that's being set here.Whatever your personal feelings about Julian Assange, that's completely beside the point right now; what's at stake here is much bigger than just Assange. If the precedent is set that the United States is allowed to extradite a foreign journalist to a kangaroo court in Virginia for publishing damaging information about the activities of its government, the long-term deleterious effect it will have on all future journalism—on a global scale, mind you—is pretty fucking hard to overstate. Don't normalize what's happening here.
EDIT: Also, it's not "brushing aside" the case in Sweden—if you actually want to see a trial happen there and for that case to be adjudicated, that would necessitate Assange's release from his current predicament.
I'm not normalizing anything here. Again you are assuming because I haven't engaged with the above then I have no thoughts or understanding regarding the freedom of the press act. I don't agree that Julian should be extradited.
But if he was then the damage done to the long term future of journalism would've been created by Julian/Wikileaks for pushing things too far.
Like I said further up if you uncover a hornets nest then you shouldn't be surprised when you get stung. And those in your wake are affected by your actions.
Did Julian sincerely expect that he/Wikileaks would be able to release this information without some form of repercussions? No of course not he's an intelligent man. Did he expect it all to drag on for as long as it has? I doubt it.
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«… But if he was then the damage done to the long term future of journalism would've been created by Julian/Wikileaks for pushing things too far.Marky Dread wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 3:53amI don't think I had finished my post before you zoomed in. I had put that Julian shouldn't be in prison here. So then he would indeed be free to face the allegations.Howard Beale wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 3:32amMy original post centered on what the current prosecution of Assange (by the US government) potentially means for the future of press freedom:Marky Dread wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 3:17amNo one? You like to assume too much.Howard Beale wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 1:39amWhen did I ever claim that I'm alleviating the world's ills? I certainly do my best not to add to them.
Then show it to me. You made the claim, therefore the onus is on you to present the evidence.
Fair point. Duly noted; apologies.
That'd be an interesting discussion to have in another thread, but what does the left enabling misogyny have to do with me defending freedom of the press (something that, unsurprisingly, absolutely no one here seems to give a shit about)? Again, the case in Sweden is a side-issue that I made clear I had no interest in debating and that I respect that people can have differing opinions about.
And the rape case is merely a "side-issue". The name of the thread is called "Julian Assange". I understand that the allegations were made about him. So surely that makes it very much part of the issue. But hey just brush that aside.Absolutely no one engaged with that argument or addressed it in any way—and the molestation case (the formal rape charge was dropped early on, by the original prosecutor) is a side issue in relation to that argument. I'm still yet to see anyone address my point about the precedent that's being set here.Whatever your personal feelings about Julian Assange, that's completely beside the point right now; what's at stake here is much bigger than just Assange. If the precedent is set that the United States is allowed to extradite a foreign journalist to a kangaroo court in Virginia for publishing damaging information about the activities of its government, the long-term deleterious effect it will have on all future journalism—on a global scale, mind you—is pretty fucking hard to overstate. Don't normalize what's happening here.
EDIT: Also, it's not "brushing aside" the case in Sweden—if you actually want to see a trial happen there and for that case to be adjudicated, that would necessitate Assange's release from his current predicament.
I'm not normalizing anything here. Again you are assuming because I haven't engaged with the above then I have no thoughts or understanding regarding the freedom of the press act. I don't agree that Julian should be extradited.
But if he was then the damage done to the long term future of journalism would've been created by Julian/Wikileaks for pushing things too far.
Like I said further up if you uncover a hornets nest then you shouldn't be surprised when you get stung. And those in your wake are affected by your actions.
Did Julian sincerely expect that he/Wikileaks would be able to release this information without some form of repercussions? No of course not he's an intelligent man. Did he expect it all to drag on for as long as it has? I doubt it.
Like I said further up if you uncover a hornets nest then you shouldn't be surprised when you get stung. And those in your wake are affected by your actions.»
Usually, the mafia system works in this way. It’s called “omertà”, better stay in silence and don’t have problems…
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Again now there you go assuming that I advocate keeping quiet about atrocities of torture etc. That simply isn't true. What I am saying is when you choose to use your right of the freedom of the press then you still need to tread very carefully. Because of the far reaching implications your actions may cause.Stefano1972 wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 5:00am«… But if he was then the damage done to the long term future of journalism would've been created by Julian/Wikileaks for pushing things too far.Marky Dread wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 3:53amI don't think I had finished my post before you zoomed in. I had put that Julian shouldn't be in prison here. So then he would indeed be free to face the allegations.Howard Beale wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 3:32amMy original post centered on what the current prosecution of Assange (by the US government) potentially means for the future of press freedom:Marky Dread wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 3:17amNo one? You like to assume too much.Howard Beale wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 1:39am
When did I ever claim that I'm alleviating the world's ills? I certainly do my best not to add to them.
Then show it to me. You made the claim, therefore the onus is on you to present the evidence.
Fair point. Duly noted; apologies.
That'd be an interesting discussion to have in another thread, but what does the left enabling misogyny have to do with me defending freedom of the press (something that, unsurprisingly, absolutely no one here seems to give a shit about)? Again, the case in Sweden is a side-issue that I made clear I had no interest in debating and that I respect that people can have differing opinions about.
And the rape case is merely a "side-issue". The name of the thread is called "Julian Assange". I understand that the allegations were made about him. So surely that makes it very much part of the issue. But hey just brush that aside.Absolutely no one engaged with that argument or addressed it in any way—and the molestation case (the formal rape charge was dropped early on, by the original prosecutor) is a side issue in relation to that argument. I'm still yet to see anyone address my point about the precedent that's being set here.Whatever your personal feelings about Julian Assange, that's completely beside the point right now; what's at stake here is much bigger than just Assange. If the precedent is set that the United States is allowed to extradite a foreign journalist to a kangaroo court in Virginia for publishing damaging information about the activities of its government, the long-term deleterious effect it will have on all future journalism—on a global scale, mind you—is pretty fucking hard to overstate. Don't normalize what's happening here.
EDIT: Also, it's not "brushing aside" the case in Sweden—if you actually want to see a trial happen there and for that case to be adjudicated, that would necessitate Assange's release from his current predicament.
I'm not normalizing anything here. Again you are assuming because I haven't engaged with the above then I have no thoughts or understanding regarding the freedom of the press act. I don't agree that Julian should be extradited.
But if he was then the damage done to the long term future of journalism would've been created by Julian/Wikileaks for pushing things too far.
Like I said further up if you uncover a hornets nest then you shouldn't be surprised when you get stung. And those in your wake are affected by your actions.
Did Julian sincerely expect that he/Wikileaks would be able to release this information without some form of repercussions? No of course not he's an intelligent man. Did he expect it all to drag on for as long as it has? I doubt it.
Like I said further up if you uncover a hornets nest then you shouldn't be surprised when you get stung. And those in your wake are affected by your actions.»
Usually, the mafia system works in this way. It’s called “omertà”, better stay in silence and don’t have problems…
These atrocities happen during war. War itself is an atrocity against mankind. Should we be surprised that terrorists are tortured? Not really, are we stunned when we learn of such things? No of course not. Do we care? Yes we do and believe those accountable should be brought to justice. But the same organisations are extremely powerful I would say far more dangerous than the mafia you quoted. It's a known fact Julian/Wikileaks are not guilty of a theft. The crime being levelled against him/them is in my opinion unjust. But still by doing what they have done may well stifle good positive journalism in the future.
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Sometimes i’m really proud about my country.
https://www.ansa.it/amp/english/news/20 ... 644ca.html
https://www.ansa.it/amp/english/news/20 ... 644ca.html
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Your country? I was under the impression Naples was a city. Does the whole of Italy agree? If so then maybe you can be proud of your country.Stefano1972 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2023, 5:08amSometimes i’m really proud about my country.
https://www.ansa.it/amp/english/news/20 ... 644ca.html
I could never be proud of a country and I'm certain I'll never be proud of mine.
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Marky Dread wrote: ↑29 Dec 2023, 10:27amYour country? I was under the impression Naples was a city. Does the whole of Italy agree? If so then maybe you can be proud of your country.Stefano1972 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2023, 5:08amSometimes i’m really proud about my country.
https://www.ansa.it/amp/english/news/20 ... 644ca.html
I could never be proud of a country and I'm certain I'll never be proud of mine.
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Let me explain better, I am proud of certain decisions taken by the city administrations of my country.Marky Dread wrote: ↑29 Dec 2023, 10:27amYour country? I was under the impression Naples was a city. Does the whole of Italy agree? If so then maybe you can be proud of your country.Stefano1972 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2023, 5:08amSometimes i’m really proud about my country.
https://www.ansa.it/amp/english/news/20 ... 644ca.html
I could never be proud of a country and I'm certain I'll never be proud of mine.
Naples, Bari and I believe also Rome have already given honorary citizenship to Assange.
Of course, the national governments that have followed one another in the last 30 years are a real vomit!
Totally flattened like soles on ultra-liberal positions worthy of Thatcher and Pinochet, in the economic field. And, authentic NATO doormats in the field of international politics.
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