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WestwayKid wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:29am
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24 Apr 2023, 10:22am
In some respects, it's like smoking pot. Fine, if that's what you like and it serves a positive purpose, but turning it into a *culture*, something that is celebrated and fetishized and shapes people's identities, yeah, you've crossed a line into a really dumb and disturbing zone. Christmas cards with your guns, needing to own multiple guns, going out in public visibly (and multiply) armed—you're an anti-social weirdo who deserves shunning. If you can't imagine life without being armed, you're a sad, addicted creature.
Yes, exactly. It's the turning it into a culture that disturbs me the most. My grandfather had several rifles, but they were tools used for hunting. They were stored in the basement like shovels for most of the year. I also know people who just like going target shooting (and to be completely transparent, I've also enjoyed that now and then) and when they're not shooting, their guns stay locked up and out of sight. It's a hobby, not a fetish. This idea that you need to thump your chest and force your guns on the world is disturbing and yes, dumb.
Just kind of curious if others noticed this chest thumping, fetishization of guns as a recent development. When I was growing up, I saw a few NRA stickers here and there, but it wasn't really on the radar as far as I remember. Everyone owned a rifle because everyone hunted deer, but it never went beyond that. It seems like maybe the past 20 years things had taken a turn toward *gestures widely* whatever this is.

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Mimi wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:54am
WestwayKid wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:29am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:22am
In some respects, it's like smoking pot. Fine, if that's what you like and it serves a positive purpose, but turning it into a *culture*, something that is celebrated and fetishized and shapes people's identities, yeah, you've crossed a line into a really dumb and disturbing zone. Christmas cards with your guns, needing to own multiple guns, going out in public visibly (and multiply) armed—you're an anti-social weirdo who deserves shunning. If you can't imagine life without being armed, you're a sad, addicted creature.
Yes, exactly. It's the turning it into a culture that disturbs me the most. My grandfather had several rifles, but they were tools used for hunting. They were stored in the basement like shovels for most of the year. I also know people who just like going target shooting (and to be completely transparent, I've also enjoyed that now and then) and when they're not shooting, their guns stay locked up and out of sight. It's a hobby, not a fetish. This idea that you need to thump your chest and force your guns on the world is disturbing and yes, dumb.
Just kind of curious if others noticed this chest thumping, fetishization of guns as a recent development. When I was growing up, I saw a few NRA stickers here and there, but it wasn't really on the radar as far as I remember. Everyone owned a rifle because everyone hunted deer, but it never went beyond that. It seems like maybe the past 20 years things had taken a turn toward *gestures widely* whatever this is.
I'm not sure when I first noticed it, but yeah, I think it's more of a recent development.
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WestwayKid wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 11:21am
Mimi wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:54am
WestwayKid wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:29am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:22am
In some respects, it's like smoking pot. Fine, if that's what you like and it serves a positive purpose, but turning it into a *culture*, something that is celebrated and fetishized and shapes people's identities, yeah, you've crossed a line into a really dumb and disturbing zone. Christmas cards with your guns, needing to own multiple guns, going out in public visibly (and multiply) armed—you're an anti-social weirdo who deserves shunning. If you can't imagine life without being armed, you're a sad, addicted creature.
Yes, exactly. It's the turning it into a culture that disturbs me the most. My grandfather had several rifles, but they were tools used for hunting. They were stored in the basement like shovels for most of the year. I also know people who just like going target shooting (and to be completely transparent, I've also enjoyed that now and then) and when they're not shooting, their guns stay locked up and out of sight. It's a hobby, not a fetish. This idea that you need to thump your chest and force your guns on the world is disturbing and yes, dumb.
Just kind of curious if others noticed this chest thumping, fetishization of guns as a recent development. When I was growing up, I saw a few NRA stickers here and there, but it wasn't really on the radar as far as I remember. Everyone owned a rifle because everyone hunted deer, but it never went beyond that. It seems like maybe the past 20 years things had taken a turn toward *gestures widely* whatever this is.
I'm not sure when I first noticed it, but yeah, I think it's more of a recent development.
I think it really started to pop when the the right wing talking heads started claiming that the black guy president was going to take their guns away.
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BostonBeaneater wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 2:05pm
WestwayKid wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 11:21am
Mimi wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:54am
WestwayKid wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:29am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:22am
In some respects, it's like smoking pot. Fine, if that's what you like and it serves a positive purpose, but turning it into a *culture*, something that is celebrated and fetishized and shapes people's identities, yeah, you've crossed a line into a really dumb and disturbing zone. Christmas cards with your guns, needing to own multiple guns, going out in public visibly (and multiply) armed—you're an anti-social weirdo who deserves shunning. If you can't imagine life without being armed, you're a sad, addicted creature.
Yes, exactly. It's the turning it into a culture that disturbs me the most. My grandfather had several rifles, but they were tools used for hunting. They were stored in the basement like shovels for most of the year. I also know people who just like going target shooting (and to be completely transparent, I've also enjoyed that now and then) and when they're not shooting, their guns stay locked up and out of sight. It's a hobby, not a fetish. This idea that you need to thump your chest and force your guns on the world is disturbing and yes, dumb.
Just kind of curious if others noticed this chest thumping, fetishization of guns as a recent development. When I was growing up, I saw a few NRA stickers here and there, but it wasn't really on the radar as far as I remember. Everyone owned a rifle because everyone hunted deer, but it never went beyond that. It seems like maybe the past 20 years things had taken a turn toward *gestures widely* whatever this is.
I'm not sure when I first noticed it, but yeah, I think it's more of a recent development.
I think it really started to pop when the the right wing talking heads started claiming that the black guy president was going to take their guns away.
Plus the Facebook/Twitter echo chamber effect. Amp up the fear but also the means of showing solidarity.
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BostonBeaneater wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 2:05pm
WestwayKid wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 11:21am
Mimi wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:54am
WestwayKid wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:29am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:22am
In some respects, it's like smoking pot. Fine, if that's what you like and it serves a positive purpose, but turning it into a *culture*, something that is celebrated and fetishized and shapes people's identities, yeah, you've crossed a line into a really dumb and disturbing zone. Christmas cards with your guns, needing to own multiple guns, going out in public visibly (and multiply) armed—you're an anti-social weirdo who deserves shunning. If you can't imagine life without being armed, you're a sad, addicted creature.
Yes, exactly. It's the turning it into a culture that disturbs me the most. My grandfather had several rifles, but they were tools used for hunting. They were stored in the basement like shovels for most of the year. I also know people who just like going target shooting (and to be completely transparent, I've also enjoyed that now and then) and when they're not shooting, their guns stay locked up and out of sight. It's a hobby, not a fetish. This idea that you need to thump your chest and force your guns on the world is disturbing and yes, dumb.
Just kind of curious if others noticed this chest thumping, fetishization of guns as a recent development. When I was growing up, I saw a few NRA stickers here and there, but it wasn't really on the radar as far as I remember. Everyone owned a rifle because everyone hunted deer, but it never went beyond that. It seems like maybe the past 20 years things had taken a turn toward *gestures widely* whatever this is.
I'm not sure when I first noticed it, but yeah, I think it's more of a recent development.
I think it really started to pop when the the right wing talking heads started claiming that the black guy president was going to take their guns away.
Sounds about right. For some reason, I was thinking the tea-bagger party had something to do with it during the Cheney years, I mean Bush years.

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Mimi wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 2:17pm
BostonBeaneater wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 2:05pm
WestwayKid wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 11:21am
Mimi wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:54am
WestwayKid wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 10:29am


Yes, exactly. It's the turning it into a culture that disturbs me the most. My grandfather had several rifles, but they were tools used for hunting. They were stored in the basement like shovels for most of the year. I also know people who just like going target shooting (and to be completely transparent, I've also enjoyed that now and then) and when they're not shooting, their guns stay locked up and out of sight. It's a hobby, not a fetish. This idea that you need to thump your chest and force your guns on the world is disturbing and yes, dumb.
Just kind of curious if others noticed this chest thumping, fetishization of guns as a recent development. When I was growing up, I saw a few NRA stickers here and there, but it wasn't really on the radar as far as I remember. Everyone owned a rifle because everyone hunted deer, but it never went beyond that. It seems like maybe the past 20 years things had taken a turn toward *gestures widely* whatever this is.
I'm not sure when I first noticed it, but yeah, I think it's more of a recent development.
I think it really started to pop when the the right wing talking heads started claiming that the black guy president was going to take their guns away.
Sounds about right. For some reason, I was thinking the tea-bagger party had something to do with it during the Cheney years, I mean Bush years.
I was going to comment that I recall this too. Not as heavily yet, but definitely something being talked about.
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/colorado ... 1b88cd0d3c

Flex: How much support does this legislation have in the state?
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
28 Apr 2023, 5:32pm
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/colorado ... 1b88cd0d3c

Flex: How much support does this legislation have in the state?
I think it's all pretty good. Anything that builds in "cool down" type periods for gun purchases is gonna be good, and while I've read some critiques of red flag laws as disproportionately potentially impacting minorities and the vulnerable, in practice I don't think there's really been much evidence this is happening.

I'm also intrigued by the possibility of holding gun manufacturers liable in some capacity, we'll see what actually happens there.
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Flex wrote:
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I'm also intrigued by the possibility of holding gun manufacturers liable in some capacity, we'll see what actually happens there.
I'm curious by what criteria this could be done. It's not the same thing as Ford making cars with faulty brakes; the car is expected to stop. But if a gun kills someone, it's performed as designed. But, duh, I'm not a lawyer, so I'm obviously missing something.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 10:23am
Flex wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 9:49am
I'm also intrigued by the possibility of holding gun manufacturers liable in some capacity, we'll see what actually happens there.
I'm curious by what criteria this could be done. It's not the same thing as Ford making cars with faulty brakes; the car is expected to stop. But if a gun kills someone, it's performed as designed. But, duh, I'm not a lawyer, so I'm obviously missing something.
Similar?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/nyre ... ement.html

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https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/5-dead-te ... d=98957271
When authorities arrived at the location, they found several victims shot at the property, police said. Three of the deceased were females and two were males, including the youngest, an 8-year-old boy.

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revbob wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 11:51am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 10:23am
Flex wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 9:49am
I'm also intrigued by the possibility of holding gun manufacturers liable in some capacity, we'll see what actually happens there.
I'm curious by what criteria this could be done. It's not the same thing as Ford making cars with faulty brakes; the car is expected to stop. But if a gun kills someone, it's performed as designed. But, duh, I'm not a lawyer, so I'm obviously missing something.
Similar?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/nyre ... ement.html
I'm a bit discomforted by that argument. That is, the basis of so much advertising for over a century has been telling people that there's something wrong with their life and this product will fix it. Can't get that promotion? It's because your breath could melt a wrench—buy Listerine. Feeling lonely? Bud Light Lime time, baby! Again, tho, my legal ignorance could be hindering me here.
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8 people dead in shooting at Texas outler mall

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revbob wrote:
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8 people dead in shooting at Texas outler mall
Jfc!

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