I think the United States actually spends countless hours doing this with slavery anyways.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑11 Jul 2022, 11:53amWell, you do in specialized courses at the university level, but, no, in high school, that's all-but impossible. It's absurd to think teachers will possess the sensitivity and nuance to handle those topics properly. That's no knock on teachers—they just have to do way too much to also expect that degree of understanding. Teaching both sides inevitably means "both sides were kinda right."
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Funny, I saw a story this morning where Fox weasels were carping about how Monticello has "gone woke" and wants people to hate Jefferson because it talks about how it was a plantation and that, you know, complicates how we regard Jefferson now. Teach both sides … but not always.Flex wrote: ↑11 Jul 2022, 11:56amI think the United States actually spends countless hours doing this with slavery anyways.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑11 Jul 2022, 11:53amWell, you do in specialized courses at the university level, but, no, in high school, that's all-but impossible. It's absurd to think teachers will possess the sensitivity and nuance to handle those topics properly. That's no knock on teachers—they just have to do way too much to also expect that degree of understanding. Teaching both sides inevitably means "both sides were kinda right."
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You make a very good point that I hadn't even thought of, makes sense and it's a real tragedy.Flex wrote: ↑11 Jul 2022, 11:50amI know none of this should be at all surprising, and yet...Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 4:51pmInch by inch, the armbands get put on: https://ohiohouse.gov/members/brigid-ke ... ill-109363
I actually wonder if some of this is a result of the final twilight of the G.I. Generation. Say what you will about our so-called Greatest Generation, most of them didn't have time for Nazis. Since, you know, they remembered actually a fighting a war with them.
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Listening to Helter Skelter while rowing this morning, I thought that with his authoritarian personality, religious claims, love of violence, and warnings that black people were going to take over and whites needed to arm themselves … well, you fill in the punchline.
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Charles Manson would have had a field day at those "bikers for trump" rallies imhoDr. Medulla wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 9:51amListening to Helter Skelter while rowing this morning, I thought that with his authoritarian personality, religious claims, love of violence, and warnings that black people were going to take over and whites needed to arm themselves … well, you fill in the punchline.
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"Some people say Charles Manson is a hero. He’s not a hero. I like people who weren’t captured."Flex wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 10:13amCharles Manson would have had a field day at those "bikers for trump" rallies imhoDr. Medulla wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 9:51amListening to Helter Skelter while rowing this morning, I thought that with his authoritarian personality, religious claims, love of violence, and warnings that black people were going to take over and whites needed to arm themselves … well, you fill in the punchline.
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That quote strikes me as incredibly disingenuous, basically an attempt to cynically use this legitimately infuriating "From the Nazis' Perspective" bill to conflate morally cut-and-dry history like the Holocaust and slavery with 9/11 and the war in Ukraine. There very much is another side to the situation in Ukraine, which I've detailed elsewhere here; and while there's certainly no moral grey area about what happened on 9/11, the person who wrote this seems to be using this Both Sides Bill as an excuse to shut down any nuanced discussion about the US government's role in causing 9/11—i.e. arming, training and funding the Mujahideen (Al-Qaeda) to fight the Soviets; stationing troops in Saudi Arabia.Sparky wrote: ↑11 Jul 2022, 11:48amUnbelievable, I think this line sums it up:Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 4:51pmInch by inch, the armbands get put on: https://ohiohouse.gov/members/brigid-ke ... ill-109363
How do you teach both sides of the Holocaust? Of 9/11? Of slavery? Of Ukraine?
What makes this all even more sick is that, post-9/11, we once again armed Al-Qaeda when we wanted regime change in Syria. As Hillary Clinton's then-deputy chief of staff Jake Sullivan triumphantly bragged to his boss in an e-mail, "Al-Qaeda is on our side in Syria." So, according to the US government, Al-Qaeda were the good guys when they fought Russia, the bad guys when they attacked us on 9/11 (that one's true), then once again became our freedom-fightin' bestest buddies when we thought they could help us bump off Assad. I'd argue that all of this context should be taught, not suppressed.
I'd also add: sending re-branded Al-Qaeda to fight in Ukraine might not be the brightest idea in the world, either. Dropping Salafist militants into the middle of Eastern Europe to fight alongside neo-Nazis—what could possibly go wrong?
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If this event makes it to California, I'm entering it.
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as i said on twitter, it's unbelievably funny that the j6 committee decided to devote like 15 minutes to just wreck hawley despite it not really being at all germane to trump's guilt.
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Ha! How much cackling must have gone on behind doors as they were arranging things?
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Someone said that he's become even more universally hated by his colleagues than Ted Cruz, and not because people have started to warm to Ted.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Jul 2022, 12:58pmHa! How much cackling must have gone on behind doors as they were arranging things?
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I do love Al Franken's line: "Here's the thing you have to understand about Ted Cruz. I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz."Flex wrote: ↑22 Jul 2022, 5:40pmSomeone said that he's become even more universally hated by his colleagues than Ted Cruz, and not because people have started to warm to Ted.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑22 Jul 2022, 12:58pmHa! How much cackling must have gone on behind doors as they were arranging things?
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