The Future of the Republican Party

[Mimi]

Sounds about right.

Question for those attracted to men, is there any non-dystopian world where Gaetz could be seen as attractive or even not hideous? Personality etc aside.

[Kimmelweck]

This never gets old.

[Dr. Medulla]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 234659336/

It's fucking Veep-worthy material with Santos. Just an endless number of lies to make him the star of every story.

[Flex]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 234659336/

It's fucking Veep-worthy material with Santos. Just an endless number of lies to make him the star of every story.

He's going to be president someday.

[Mimi]

There will be a movie made about him one day.

[matedog]

Republicans don't give a shit about this right? They are just going to let this blow over.

[Flex]

Republicans don't give a shit about this right? They are just going to let this blow over.

Well, the local party is calling for his resignation but I suspect of Santos just holds his ground it'll all blow over eventually (and I think he suspects that too). If Santos does resign, there's a real chance that would be a Dem pickup, so I can't imagine the national party pressuring him to do anything.

[Dr. Medulla]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 234659336/

It's fucking Veep-worthy material with Santos. Just an endless number of lies to make him the star of every story.

He's going to be president someday.

I believe his cv says he was president of Tasmania from 2004 to 2013, so he's got experience!

[Dr. Medulla]

Republicans don't give a shit about this right? They are just going to let this blow over.

Well, the local party is calling for his resignation but I suspect of Santos just holds his ground it'll all blow over eventually (and I think he suspects that too). If Santos does resign, there's a real chance that would be a Dem pickup, so I can't imagine the national party pressuring him to do anything.

If anything does it, it'll be state or federal justice charging him. But gutting the ethics office first week in was a clear signal that the Republican caucus isn't going to do anything to him.

[Sparky]

Republicans don't give a shit about this right? They are just going to let this blow over.

I suspect they'll tolerate anything in order to keep one more red vote and a democrat from wining his seat in congress.

[revbob]

Republicans don't give a shit about this right? They are just going to let this blow over.

I suspect they'll tolerate anything in order to keep one more red vote and a democrat from wining his seat in congress.

Its all sport now and you either win or lose.

[Dr. Medulla]

Republicans don't give a shit about this right? They are just going to let this blow over.

I suspect they'll tolerate anything in order to keep one more red vote and a democrat from wining his seat in congress.

Its all sport now and you either win or lose.

Yup, it's pure tribal power politics. Today's Republicans would shit on a picture of Reagan if they thought it would make a liberal angry.

[Flex]

The counterfactual, I suppose, is whether if it was a Democrat in a thin majority if folks would want him to resign. I think the Dems generally have a better vetting process so it's less likely that someone this brazen of a liar would get through, but if it somehow happened I dunno how excited folks would be about losing a seat. Party dwarfs individual competence 99.9% of the time in policy making.

Now, for a certain contingent who think Democrats are the same or worse than Republicans it would be a non-issue (indeed, the whole joke from that view is that Santos, or a Santos-like Dem in this hypothetical, is getting any extra scrutiny at all when he's only a fraction of the charlatan and mass murderer that someone like Joe Biden is). But I think outside of that position, it probably becomes a harder issue to land on. What if a democratic Santos were a key vote in a climate change package? You'd probably want him to stay.

For Republicans, they view him as a key vote to pass legislation legalizing the torture of trans people and so forth, so it's easy to see why they'd want him to stick around.

Addendum: Off the top of my head, Liz Warren has completely fabricated having native American ancestry for decades and decades and no one has called for her resignation.

[Dr. Medulla]

The counterfactual, I suppose, is whether if it was a Democrat in a thin majority if folks would want him to resign. I think the Dems generally have a better vetting process so it's less likely that someone this brazen of a liar would get through, but if it somehow happened I dunno how excited folks would be about losing a seat. Party dwarfs individual competence 99.9% of the time in policy making.

Now, for a certain contingent who think Democrats are the same or worse than Republicans it would be a non-issue (indeed, the whole joke from that view is that Santos, or a Santos-like Dem in this hypothetical, is getting any extra scrutiny at all when he's only a fraction of the charlatan and mass murderer that someone like Joe Biden is). But I think outside of that position, it probably becomes a harder issue to land on. What if a democratic Santos were a key vote in a climate change package? You'd probably want him to stay.

For Republicans, they view him as a key vote to pass legislation legalizing the torture of trans people and so forth, so it's easy to see why they'd want him to stick around.

Addendum: Off the top of my head, Liz Warren has completely fabricated having native American ancestry for decades and decades and no one has called for her resignation.

Franken got booted very quickly, tho in a state with a Democratic governor, so there was no vote loss.

[Flex]

Franken got booted very quickly, tho in a state with a Democratic governor, so there was no vote loss.

Yeah, I think popular wisdom is that if there had been any chance the seat would have flipped he would not have been asked to resign. Also, to the point about tribalism, there are ton of people both in the party apparatus and just regular voters who think it was a mistake, despite it having absolutely no policy consequences.