It is all entirely culturally generated/learned. Strictly speaking, it is illogical that we make these choices, but, save for vegans, there's a compromise made. I admit to being weirded out by the idea of eating cat, dog, or horse, but dispassionately I shouldn't be. Meh.Marky Dread wrote:No more no less than any other culture that decides what is or isn't a pet.matedog wrote:I do think people need to not be horrified about cultures eating dogs.Dr. Medulla wrote:Very true. The wet food we feed our cats is a blend of duck and tuna or chicken and tuna. According to the package, it's all steroid free and ethically killed, etc., but your point remains.Marky Dread wrote:The irony being I expect the vast majority of pet owners feed their pet food that is behind that line.Dr. Medulla wrote:
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Rabbit on the wrong side of the line, imho.
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Your Fuddism has long been understood here.Flex wrote:Rabbit on the wrong side of the line, imho.
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This made me smile about a very serious subject.Dr. Medulla wrote:Your Fuddism has long been understood here.Flex wrote:Rabbit on the wrong side of the line, imho.
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I agree and meh indeed.Dr. Medulla wrote:It is all entirely culturally generated/learned. Strictly speaking, it is illogical that we make these choices, but, save for vegans, there's a compromise made. I admit to being weirded out by the idea of eating cat, dog, or horse, but dispassionately I shouldn't be. Meh.Marky Dread wrote:No more no less than any other culture that decides what is or isn't a pet.matedog wrote:I do think people need to not be horrified about cultures eating dogs.Dr. Medulla wrote:Very true. The wet food we feed our cats is a blend of duck and tuna or chicken and tuna. According to the package, it's all steroid free and ethically killed, etc., but your point remains.Marky Dread wrote:
The irony being I expect the vast majority of pet owners feed their pet food that is behind that line.
I guess no fish, no fur, no feather. Someone is going to tell me plants have a right to live also.
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There's really no coherent argument against veganism (or, at least, vegetarianism) that I've come across. The preponderance of evidence is that animals can, and do, feel and understand their own suffering and I can't really come up with a cogent argument why they shouldn't be afforded the right of other living creatures that constitutes not being slaughtered and eaten for our own pleasure. From a health standpoint, there isn't really any nutritional benefit to meat-eating a person can't get from a well-balanced vegetarian diet, and there's (heavily debated) evidence that even "good" meat-eating has adverse health consequences. It's also a lot easier to "buy ethically" in terms of not supporting the worst of the worst corporations and those who engage in otherwise noxious humanitarian/environmental/etc. practices if one refrains from eating meat.
That said, I eat meat and really have no plans to stop. I do it for all the cultural reasons that get discussed, and at a base level that I enjoy the taste of meat. But, I'd admit it's a moral failing on my part.
That said, I eat meat and really have no plans to stop. I do it for all the cultural reasons that get discussed, and at a base level that I enjoy the taste of meat. But, I'd admit it's a moral failing on my part.
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I eat meat shamelessly. Circle of life yada yada.Flex wrote:There's really no coherent argument against veganism (or, at least, vegetarianism) that I've come across. The preponderance of evidence is that animals can, and do, feel and understand their own suffering and I can't really come up with a cogent argument why they shouldn't be afforded the right of other living creatures that constitutes not being slaughtered and eaten for our own pleasure. From a health standpoint, there isn't really any nutritional benefit to meat-eating a person can't get from a well-balanced vegetarian diet, and there's (heavily debated) evidence that even "good" meat-eating has adverse health consequences. It's also a lot easier to "buy ethically" in terms of not supporting the worst of the worst corporations and those who engage in otherwise noxious humanitarian/environmental/etc. practices if one refrains from eating meat.
That said, I eat meat and really have no plans to stop. I do it for all the cultural reasons that get discussed, and at a base level that I enjoy the taste of meat. But, I'd admit it's a moral failing on my part.
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That's actually why I murder the elderly.BostonBeaneater wrote:Circle of life yada yada.
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That's exactly where I'm at. I enjoy the taste of meat, but I know that I have to ignore a lot of indefensible stuff to do so. If there's one area of self-improvement that I'd like to get to, it's eschewing meat, but (ho ho) the flesh is weak at this point.Flex wrote:There's really no coherent argument against veganism (or, at least, vegetarianism) that I've come across. The preponderance of evidence is that animals can, and do, feel and understand their own suffering and I can't really come up with a cogent argument why they shouldn't be afforded the right of other living creatures that constitutes not being slaughtered and eaten for our own pleasure. From a health standpoint, there isn't really any nutritional benefit to meat-eating a person can't get from a well-balanced vegetarian diet, and there's (heavily debated) evidence that even "good" meat-eating has adverse health consequences. It's also a lot easier to "buy ethically" in terms of not supporting the worst of the worst corporations and those who engage in otherwise noxious humanitarian/environmental/etc. practices if one refrains from eating meat.
That said, I eat meat and really have no plans to stop. I do it for all the cultural reasons that get discussed, and at a base level that I enjoy the taste of meat. But, I'd admit it's a moral failing on my part.
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Likewise.Dr. Medulla wrote:That's exactly where I'm at. I enjoy the taste of meat, but I know that I have to ignore a lot of indefensible stuff to do so. If there's one area of self-improvement that I'd like to get to, it's eschewing meat, but (ho ho) the flesh is weak at this point.Flex wrote:There's really no coherent argument against veganism (or, at least, vegetarianism) that I've come across. The preponderance of evidence is that animals can, and do, feel and understand their own suffering and I can't really come up with a cogent argument why they shouldn't be afforded the right of other living creatures that constitutes not being slaughtered and eaten for our own pleasure. From a health standpoint, there isn't really any nutritional benefit to meat-eating a person can't get from a well-balanced vegetarian diet, and there's (heavily debated) evidence that even "good" meat-eating has adverse health consequences. It's also a lot easier to "buy ethically" in terms of not supporting the worst of the worst corporations and those who engage in otherwise noxious humanitarian/environmental/etc. practices if one refrains from eating meat.
That said, I eat meat and really have no plans to stop. I do it for all the cultural reasons that get discussed, and at a base level that I enjoy the taste of meat. But, I'd admit it's a moral failing on my part.
I understand and don't disagree with veganism and understand animals suffer to be put on my plate. That being said, I enjoy the taste sufficiently to overrode what minimal moral qualms I have.
I only hate vegans when I'm going to dinner with one.
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B's been vegan for well over a year now, but her choice wasn't out of morality but diet. Both dairy and, increasingly, meat was playing havoc with her digestive system. She'll still have meat when there's no other option, but a vegan diet has been much better for her health. So I'm not living with Morrissey scolding me when I grill up a hamburger.matedog wrote:I only hate vegans when I'm going to dinner with one.
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So basically all moral judgements are cast aside in favour of the flavour. What a bunch of weak minded self centered assholes us humans really are. I don't agree with eating humans but they probably taste good also.matedog wrote:Likewise.Dr. Medulla wrote:That's exactly where I'm at. I enjoy the taste of meat, but I know that I have to ignore a lot of indefensible stuff to do so. If there's one area of self-improvement that I'd like to get to, it's eschewing meat, but (ho ho) the flesh is weak at this point.Flex wrote:There's really no coherent argument against veganism (or, at least, vegetarianism) that I've come across. The preponderance of evidence is that animals can, and do, feel and understand their own suffering and I can't really come up with a cogent argument why they shouldn't be afforded the right of other living creatures that constitutes not being slaughtered and eaten for our own pleasure. From a health standpoint, there isn't really any nutritional benefit to meat-eating a person can't get from a well-balanced vegetarian diet, and there's (heavily debated) evidence that even "good" meat-eating has adverse health consequences. It's also a lot easier to "buy ethically" in terms of not supporting the worst of the worst corporations and those who engage in otherwise noxious humanitarian/environmental/etc. practices if one refrains from eating meat.
That said, I eat meat and really have no plans to stop. I do it for all the cultural reasons that get discussed, and at a base level that I enjoy the taste of meat. But, I'd admit it's a moral failing on my part.
I understand and don't disagree with veganism and understand animals suffer to be put on my plate. That being said, I enjoy the taste sufficiently to overrode what minimal moral qualms I have.
I only hate vegans when I'm going to dinner with one.
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"Vegetable rights and peace."Marky Dread wrote:I agree and meh indeed.Dr. Medulla wrote:It is all entirely culturally generated/learned. Strictly speaking, it is illogical that we make these choices, but, save for vegans, there's a compromise made. I admit to being weirded out by the idea of eating cat, dog, or horse, but dispassionately I shouldn't be. Meh.Marky Dread wrote:No more no less than any other culture that decides what is or isn't a pet.matedog wrote:I do think people need to not be horrified about cultures eating dogs.Dr. Medulla wrote: Very true. The wet food we feed our cats is a blend of duck and tuna or chicken and tuna. According to the package, it's all steroid free and ethically killed, etc., but your point remains.
I guess no fish, no fur, no feather. Someone is going to tell me plants have a right to live also.
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Kinda gamey. ⁶⁶⁶Marky Dread wrote:I don't agree with eating humans but they probably taste good also.
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Don't bring me down and hassle me maaaaaaaan.Silent Majority wrote:"Vegetable rights and peace."Marky Dread wrote:I agree and meh indeed.Dr. Medulla wrote:It is all entirely culturally generated/learned. Strictly speaking, it is illogical that we make these choices, but, save for vegans, there's a compromise made. I admit to being weirded out by the idea of eating cat, dog, or horse, but dispassionately I shouldn't be. Meh.Marky Dread wrote:No more no less than any other culture that decides what is or isn't a pet.matedog wrote: I do think people need to not be horrified about cultures eating dogs.
I guess no fish, no fur, no feather. Someone is going to tell me plants have a right to live also.
Forces have been looting
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Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
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