The Brexit campaigners at the time reminded me eerily of the last time Quebec voted on whether to leave Canada in the mid-90s. When confronted with the analysis and forecasts of what an economic disaster it would be for Quebec to leave, one of the leaders of the movement said that separation would be a "magic wand," whereby the positive vibes of going it alone would conquer all that real world misery. If I can respect Quebec separatism in principle, that kind of fantasy is either dishonest politics or proof of incompetence. At least when the South seceded in 1861, its leaders knew that shit was going to be hard, possibly catastrophic.Marky Dread wrote: ↑20 May 2023, 8:01amThose fuckers got exactly what they asked for. The rest of us saw the dangers. I'll shit on anyone who voted for Brexit for all eternity. Fools!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 May 2023, 6:46amOn Brexit's failure and denying reality: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... e-refugees
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I'm anti anything like this that is divisive. The belief that somehow you're better than others and have no need of them is just blind sighted ignorance at it's worst.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 May 2023, 8:17amThe Brexit campaigners at the time reminded me eerily of the last time Quebec voted on whether to leave Canada in the mid-90s. When confronted with the analysis and forecasts of what an economic disaster it would be for Quebec to leave, one of the leaders of the movement said that separation would be a "magic wand," whereby the positive vibes of going it alone would conquer all that real world misery. If I can respect Quebec separatism in principle, that kind of fantasy is either dishonest politics or proof of incompetence. At least when the South seceded in 1861, its leaders knew that shit was going to be hard, possibly catastrophic.Marky Dread wrote: ↑20 May 2023, 8:01amThose fuckers got exactly what they asked for. The rest of us saw the dangers. I'll shit on anyone who voted for Brexit for all eternity. Fools!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 May 2023, 6:46amOn Brexit's failure and denying reality: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... e-refugees
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I'm sure it was probably some right wing tabloid ratfuck who coined it, but kudos all the same to whoever came up with Sir Kid Starver. Surely the best political moniker since Maggie Thatcher the milk snatcher? Not that it had any effect on the old witch getting her grubby mitts on power exactly
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As a Conservative-implemented policy that completely sucks.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 1:38pmI'm sure it was probably some right wing tabloid ratfuck who coined it, but kudos all the same to whoever came up with Sir Kid Starver. Surely the best political moniker since Maggie Thatcher the milk snatcher? Not that it had any effect on the old witch getting her grubby mitts on power exactly
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It's very telling how Starmer can't seem to be able to conduct a personal in-depth interview without at least 5 references to his father being a humble toolmaker. Wes Streeting (Less Eating?) goes on the same way. It's like once they establish their working class credentials, they can be as right wing, tory-lite as they like, the political equivalent of the old saying "get the reputation of being an early riser and you can stay in bed till lunchtime." I agree on Rayner, she is clearly very genuine and capable, plus being both female and from the north ticks two boxes for Labour that i think urgently require ticking.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 5:12pmAs a Conservative-implemented policy that completely sucks.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 1:38pmI'm sure it was probably some right wing tabloid ratfuck who coined it, but kudos all the same to whoever came up with Sir Kid Starver. Surely the best political moniker since Maggie Thatcher the milk snatcher? Not that it had any effect on the old witch getting her grubby mitts on power exactly
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Similar, perhaps, that it's feminist to support a woman—Clinton, Thatcher—even if she's a cold monster, whereas calling them that is somehow sexist.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:17pmIt's very telling how Starmer can't seem to be able to conduct a personal in-depth interview without at least 5 references to his father being a humble toolmaker. Wes Streeting (Less Eating?) goes on the same way. It's like once they establish their working class credentials, they can be as right wing, tory-lite as they like, the political equivalent of the old saying "get the reputation of being an early riser and you can stay in bed till lunchtime." I agree on Rayner, she is clearly very genuine and capable, plus being both female and from the north ticks two boxes for Labour that i think urgently require ticking.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 5:12pmAs a Conservative-implemented policy that completely sucks.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 1:38pmI'm sure it was probably some right wing tabloid ratfuck who coined it, but kudos all the same to whoever came up with Sir Kid Starver. Surely the best political moniker since Maggie Thatcher the milk snatcher? Not that it had any effect on the old witch getting her grubby mitts on power exactly
Angela Rayner should be in charge of the Labour party. She is truly compassionate and has a greater sympathy for the working classes and people in general. Kier is out of touch.
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In a way, yes, although whatever about Clinton, i don't think Thatcher ever made even the merest token effort to buff up her own feminist or, indeed, any credentials. She was who she was, tragically so. I think if anything she herself hated feminists; the archetypal ladder puller.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:24pmSimilar, perhaps, that it's feminist to support a woman—Clinton, Thatcher—even if she's a cold monster, whereas calling them that is somehow sexist.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:17pmIt's very telling how Starmer can't seem to be able to conduct a personal in-depth interview without at least 5 references to his father being a humble toolmaker. Wes Streeting (Less Eating?) goes on the same way. It's like once they establish their working class credentials, they can be as right wing, tory-lite as they like, the political equivalent of the old saying "get the reputation of being an early riser and you can stay in bed till lunchtime." I agree on Rayner, she is clearly very genuine and capable, plus being both female and from the north ticks two boxes for Labour that i think urgently require ticking.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 5:12pmAs a Conservative-implemented policy that completely sucks.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 1:38pmI'm sure it was probably some right wing tabloid ratfuck who coined it, but kudos all the same to whoever came up with Sir Kid Starver. Surely the best political moniker since Maggie Thatcher the milk snatcher? Not that it had any effect on the old witch getting her grubby mitts on power exactly
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She was a cold hearted bitch whose only true trait was snobbery. Feminism and Thatcher were like chalk and cheese. Iron Lady? more like Iron Heart!. I hate her with a vengeance and even now her legacy can be seen clear and wide.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 7:05pmIn a way, yes, although whatever about Clinton, i don't think Thatcher ever made even the merest token effort to buff up her own feminist or, indeed, any credentials. She was who she was, tragically so. I think if anything she herself hated feminists; the archetypal ladder puller.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:24pmSimilar, perhaps, that it's feminist to support a woman—Clinton, Thatcher—even if she's a cold monster, whereas calling them that is somehow sexist.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:17pmIt's very telling how Starmer can't seem to be able to conduct a personal in-depth interview without at least 5 references to his father being a humble toolmaker. Wes Streeting (Less Eating?) goes on the same way. It's like once they establish their working class credentials, they can be as right wing, tory-lite as they like, the political equivalent of the old saying "get the reputation of being an early riser and you can stay in bed till lunchtime." I agree on Rayner, she is clearly very genuine and capable, plus being both female and from the north ticks two boxes for Labour that i think urgently require ticking.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 5:12pmAs a Conservative-implemented policy that completely sucks.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 1:38pmI'm sure it was probably some right wing tabloid ratfuck who coined it, but kudos all the same to whoever came up with Sir Kid Starver. Surely the best political moniker since Maggie Thatcher the milk snatcher? Not that it had any effect on the old witch getting her grubby mitts on power exactly
Angela Rayner should be in charge of the Labour party. She is truly compassionate and has a greater sympathy for the working classes and people in general. Kier is out of touch.
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Right. Didn't mean to suggest she would have thought of herself as a feminist, tho she established the mold of a Hillary Clinton kind of monster who some decided was a feminist success story. It was the perversion of feminism that lauded women who could be as awful as the men who diminished other women.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 7:05pmIn a way, yes, although whatever about Clinton, i don't think Thatcher ever made even the merest token effort to buff up her own feminist or, indeed, any credentials. She was who she was, tragically so. I think if anything she herself hated feminists; the archetypal ladder puller.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:24pmSimilar, perhaps, that it's feminist to support a woman—Clinton, Thatcher—even if she's a cold monster, whereas calling them that is somehow sexist.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:17pmIt's very telling how Starmer can't seem to be able to conduct a personal in-depth interview without at least 5 references to his father being a humble toolmaker. Wes Streeting (Less Eating?) goes on the same way. It's like once they establish their working class credentials, they can be as right wing, tory-lite as they like, the political equivalent of the old saying "get the reputation of being an early riser and you can stay in bed till lunchtime." I agree on Rayner, she is clearly very genuine and capable, plus being both female and from the north ticks two boxes for Labour that i think urgently require ticking.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 5:12pmAs a Conservative-implemented policy that completely sucks.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 1:38pmI'm sure it was probably some right wing tabloid ratfuck who coined it, but kudos all the same to whoever came up with Sir Kid Starver. Surely the best political moniker since Maggie Thatcher the milk snatcher? Not that it had any effect on the old witch getting her grubby mitts on power exactly
Angela Rayner should be in charge of the Labour party. She is truly compassionate and has a greater sympathy for the working classes and people in general. Kier is out of touch.
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No, you didn't suggest that at all, i was just drawing a distinction between her and the labour folk i mentioned earlier who seem keen to buff up their chosen credentials at every available opportunity which i dont think she ever did or felt the need to do. But others did on her behalf for sure, which seems crazy when you look at a list of her heroes and mentors: Powell, Hayek, Friedman, Reagan, Pinochet(!) etc etc. I could get the argument that to scale the ladder, you had to play by the rules of the (all male) club and develop many of their traits, but to then get there - partly through cunning, partly through luck - and do virtually nothing to change the rules of the game rather blows the whole feminist icon thing instantly out of the water if you ask me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 7:30pmRight. Didn't mean to suggest she would have thought of herself as a feminist, tho she established the mold of a Hillary Clinton kind of monster who some decided was a feminist success story. It was the perversion of feminism that lauded women who could be as awful as the men who diminished other women.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 7:05pmIn a way, yes, although whatever about Clinton, i don't think Thatcher ever made even the merest token effort to buff up her own feminist or, indeed, any credentials. She was who she was, tragically so. I think if anything she herself hated feminists; the archetypal ladder puller.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:24pmSimilar, perhaps, that it's feminist to support a woman—Clinton, Thatcher—even if she's a cold monster, whereas calling them that is somehow sexist.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:17pmIt's very telling how Starmer can't seem to be able to conduct a personal in-depth interview without at least 5 references to his father being a humble toolmaker. Wes Streeting (Less Eating?) goes on the same way. It's like once they establish their working class credentials, they can be as right wing, tory-lite as they like, the political equivalent of the old saying "get the reputation of being an early riser and you can stay in bed till lunchtime." I agree on Rayner, she is clearly very genuine and capable, plus being both female and from the north ticks two boxes for Labour that i think urgently require ticking.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 5:12pm
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About a month ago, i was listening to a guy on the radio talking from Norway about their North Sea Oil sovereign fund that is now in excess of £2trillion and they're having heated debates there apparently on how they might start to spend this dividend. And of course its another less heralded Thatcher legacy that much of the UK's oil wealth was spunked on the great council house sell off of the 80s that while helping lots of people (as well as securing crucial votes) also, according to analysts, sowed the initial seeds of today's chronic housing crisis. Back in the 70s, when the oil was first discovered, Tony Benn was advocating for the establishment of a sovereign fund but was laughed at and dismissed as the typical fantasy champagne socialist.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 7:16pmShe was a cold hearted bitch whose only true trait was snobbery. Feminism and Thatcher were like chalk and cheese. Iron Lady? more like Iron Heart!. I hate her with a vengeance and even now her legacy can be seen clear and wide.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 7:05pmIn a way, yes, although whatever about Clinton, i don't think Thatcher ever made even the merest token effort to buff up her own feminist or, indeed, any credentials. She was who she was, tragically so. I think if anything she herself hated feminists; the archetypal ladder puller.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:24pmSimilar, perhaps, that it's feminist to support a woman—Clinton, Thatcher—even if she's a cold monster, whereas calling them that is somehow sexist.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:17pmIt's very telling how Starmer can't seem to be able to conduct a personal in-depth interview without at least 5 references to his father being a humble toolmaker. Wes Streeting (Less Eating?) goes on the same way. It's like once they establish their working class credentials, they can be as right wing, tory-lite as they like, the political equivalent of the old saying "get the reputation of being an early riser and you can stay in bed till lunchtime." I agree on Rayner, she is clearly very genuine and capable, plus being both female and from the north ticks two boxes for Labour that i think urgently require ticking.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 5:12pm
As a Conservative-implemented policy that completely sucks.
Angela Rayner should be in charge of the Labour party. She is truly compassionate and has a greater sympathy for the working classes and people in general. Kier is out of touch.
*Open to correction on this but i think the one place that actually did invest their oil dividend was the Shetland Islands, or part of it, and it's now per capita, the wealthiest region in the uk, at least outside the City anyway.
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But that does speak to how perverted a certain, older segment that calls itself feminist is. To them, no, it's not about changing rules, ideas, or structures, it's just about women succeeding within the dominant system. Which means, hey, women, if you, too, can't rise and become a monster, that's on you. Importantly, it's mostly liberals who have embraced that kind of bootstrapping bullshit.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 8:27pmNo, you didn't suggest that at all, i was just drawing a distinction between her and the labour folk i mentioned earlier who seem keen to buff up their chosen credentials at every available opportunity which i dont think she ever did or felt the need to do. But others did on her behalf for sure, which seems crazy when you look at a list of her heroes and mentors: Powell, Hayek, Friedman, Reagan, Pinochet(!) etc etc. I could get the argument that to scale the ladder, you had to play by the rules of the (all male) club and develop many of their traits, but to then get there - partly through cunning, partly through luck - and do virtually nothing to change the rules of the game rather blows the whole feminist icon thing instantly out of the water if you ask me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 7:30pmRight. Didn't mean to suggest she would have thought of herself as a feminist, tho she established the mold of a Hillary Clinton kind of monster who some decided was a feminist success story. It was the perversion of feminism that lauded women who could be as awful as the men who diminished other women.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 7:05pmIn a way, yes, although whatever about Clinton, i don't think Thatcher ever made even the merest token effort to buff up her own feminist or, indeed, any credentials. She was who she was, tragically so. I think if anything she herself hated feminists; the archetypal ladder puller.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:24pmSimilar, perhaps, that it's feminist to support a woman—Clinton, Thatcher—even if she's a cold monster, whereas calling them that is somehow sexist.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:17pm
It's very telling how Starmer can't seem to be able to conduct a personal in-depth interview without at least 5 references to his father being a humble toolmaker. Wes Streeting (Less Eating?) goes on the same way. It's like once they establish their working class credentials, they can be as right wing, tory-lite as they like, the political equivalent of the old saying "get the reputation of being an early riser and you can stay in bed till lunchtime." I agree on Rayner, she is clearly very genuine and capable, plus being both female and from the north ticks two boxes for Labour that i think urgently require ticking.
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In Canada, the province of Alberta, when it was realized that it was sitting on a lot of oil, went thru the same scenario and chose to just give the oil companies a sweetheart deal and accept pennies, which at the time was still a windall. Albertans in the 70s and 80s were seriously smug about all that easy cash bubbling up from the ground. And, hey, it would always be like that forfuckingever, right? Ha ha ha. Yeah, now Alberta is grinding to a halt, stuck in a dying industry with little to show for it except for paranoid bitterness. Critics like to point to Norway, but, really, that's just salt in the wound because that option was shut off a couple generations ago. The grasshopper and the ant is one of those always relevant fables that few in power ever seriously consider.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 8:38pmAbout a month ago, i was listening to a guy on the radio talking from Norway about their North Sea Oil sovereign fund that is now in excess of £2trillion and they're having heated debates there apparently on how they might start to spend this dividend. And of course its another less heralded Thatcher legacy that much of the UK's oil wealth was spunked on the great council house sell off of the 80s that while helping lots of people (as well as securing crucial votes) also, according to analysts, sowed the initial seeds of today's chronic housing crisis. Back in the 70s, when the oil was first discovered, Tony Benn was advocating for the establishment of a sovereign fund but was laughed at and dismissed as the typical fantasy champagne socialist.
*Open to correction on this but i think the one place that actually did invest their oil dividend was the Shetland Islands, or part of it, and it's now per capita, the wealthiest region in the uk, at least outside the City anyway.
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Having local councils sell off council housing that took years to achieve is the biggest Tory crime I can think of. Thatcher conned those working class people into thinking they were better than they were. Creating house owners at the expense of future generations that included their own children. Previous generations fought and worked hard to obtain those council homes in the first place. All paid for by working class monies then being sold off to become private ownerships.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 8:38pmAbout a month ago, i was listening to a guy on the radio talking from Norway about their North Sea Oil sovereign fund that is now in excess of £2trillion and they're having heated debates there apparently on how they might start to spend this dividend. And of course its another less heralded Thatcher legacy that much of the UK's oil wealth was spunked on the great council house sell off of the 80s that while helping lots of people (as well as securing crucial votes) also, according to analysts, sowed the initial seeds of today's chronic housing crisis. Back in the 70s, when the oil was first discovered, Tony Benn was advocating for the establishment of a sovereign fund but was laughed at and dismissed as the typical fantasy champagne socialist.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 7:16pmShe was a cold hearted bitch whose only true trait was snobbery. Feminism and Thatcher were like chalk and cheese. Iron Lady? more like Iron Heart!. I hate her with a vengeance and even now her legacy can be seen clear and wide.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 7:05pmIn a way, yes, although whatever about Clinton, i don't think Thatcher ever made even the merest token effort to buff up her own feminist or, indeed, any credentials. She was who she was, tragically so. I think if anything she herself hated feminists; the archetypal ladder puller.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:24pmSimilar, perhaps, that it's feminist to support a woman—Clinton, Thatcher—even if she's a cold monster, whereas calling them that is somehow sexist.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:17pm
It's very telling how Starmer can't seem to be able to conduct a personal in-depth interview without at least 5 references to his father being a humble toolmaker. Wes Streeting (Less Eating?) goes on the same way. It's like once they establish their working class credentials, they can be as right wing, tory-lite as they like, the political equivalent of the old saying "get the reputation of being an early riser and you can stay in bed till lunchtime." I agree on Rayner, she is clearly very genuine and capable, plus being both female and from the north ticks two boxes for Labour that i think urgently require ticking.
*Open to correction on this but i think the one place that actually did invest their oil dividend was the Shetland Islands, or part of it, and it's now per capita, the wealthiest region in the uk, at least outside the City anyway.
Look at the state of things now with sky high rents and young people having little or no chance of getting on the property ladder.
Damn her and the Tory party to hell!
Socialism belongs in the heart not in the wallet. Fucking yuppies with their fakery.
Tony Benn was right about the sovereign fund. That money could do some real good for people now.
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I'm a poor authority on this tbh, but I do wonder if it exposes the dividing line here, between the radical feminists who emitted a strong vibe of "we've had long enough of the patriarchs in control and fucking things up, it's surely our turn to take control and fuck things up" and the more moderates who were keen to align their feminism to other progressive causes. Maybe I'm judging too much from a modern perspective, but I have noticed how quite a number of prominent feminist reporters and columnists have made the move recently from liberal outlets (most notably the Guardian) to more right-wing, "anti-woke" publications and, as far as I can see, looking quite comfortable in their new surroundings. So comfortable that it would lead me to question whether many of them were ever that liberal or progressive to begin with.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 8:40pmBut that does speak to how perverted a certain, older segment that calls itself feminist is. To them, no, it's not about changing rules, ideas, or structures, it's just about women succeeding within the dominant system. Which means, hey, women, if you, too, can't rise and become a monster, that's on you. Importantly, it's mostly liberals who have embraced that kind of bootstrapping bullshit.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 8:27pmNo, you didn't suggest that at all, i was just drawing a distinction between her and the labour folk i mentioned earlier who seem keen to buff up their chosen credentials at every available opportunity which i dont think she ever did or felt the need to do. But others did on her behalf for sure, which seems crazy when you look at a list of her heroes and mentors: Powell, Hayek, Friedman, Reagan, Pinochet(!) etc etc. I could get the argument that to scale the ladder, you had to play by the rules of the (all male) club and develop many of their traits, but to then get there - partly through cunning, partly through luck - and do virtually nothing to change the rules of the game rather blows the whole feminist icon thing instantly out of the water if you ask me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 7:30pmRight. Didn't mean to suggest she would have thought of herself as a feminist, tho she established the mold of a Hillary Clinton kind of monster who some decided was a feminist success story. It was the perversion of feminism that lauded women who could be as awful as the men who diminished other women.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 7:05pmIn a way, yes, although whatever about Clinton, i don't think Thatcher ever made even the merest token effort to buff up her own feminist or, indeed, any credentials. She was who she was, tragically so. I think if anything she herself hated feminists; the archetypal ladder puller.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Jul 2023, 6:24pm
Similar, perhaps, that it's feminist to support a woman—Clinton, Thatcher—even if she's a cold monster, whereas calling them that is somehow sexist.