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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Silent Majority » 20 Feb 2019, 2:35pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 10:16am
Silent Majority wrote:
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Tory defections are good news.
This all has a weird resemblance of sorts to what happened in Canada in the 80s and 90s. So, in the early 80s, the Canada, led by the Liberals, gained true constitutional independence from Britain, which involved constructing our own constitution. At the time, Quebec was led by separatists who weren't exactly on board with what the rest of Canada wanted in a constitution, which led to it being passed without Quebec's support. A few years later, the Conservatives are led by Brian Mulroney, from Quebec, who strikes his own deal with French nationalists to get what they want into the constitution. The Tories sweep Quebec in the '84 election and he begins constitutional talks to satisfy the nationalists. A deal is made but fails to be ratified in several provinces, which leads to another plan and a national referendum, which also fails. Meanwhile, conservatives outside of Quebec, especially on the prairies, feel that Mulroney is too pro-Quebec and they split off into a populist party, while Quebec nationalists, bitter over the constitutional failure, form their own federal separatist party. The effect is that the federal Conservatives were utterly gutted, and in the 1993 federal election the governing Tories went from 169 seats … to 2. (The social democrats were also almost wiped out.) So parliament was dominated for the next decade by the Liberals faced by conservative populists and French nationalists. All set in motion by Mulroney's playing footsie with the nationalists who felt betrayed by the Liberals over the constitution. (There was also another referendum in Quebec to secede in the 90s, which barely failed. Part of the fall-out from that was a scandal that ended up consuming the federal Liberal government.)

Sound anything like what David Cameron unleashed by agreeing to that stupid Brexit referendum?
Sure does. Ours is madder and harder because this is England.
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Inder » 20 Feb 2019, 2:38pm

Ta-da!


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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Silent Majority » 20 Feb 2019, 2:41pm

Inder wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 2:38pm
Ta-da!

Ive heard 0 things from these guys about how they'd approach Brexit.
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by 101Walterton » 20 Feb 2019, 3:00pm

Silent Majority wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 2:34pm
Marky Dread wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 1:36pm
Silent Majority wrote:
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The boy geniuses are leaving the Labour party. This will go great. It will be fantastic.
"Hey look at us were leaving too". Only two hours ago I had no idea who Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston and Heidi Allen were. Now they are famous and get to show off their new Marks & Spencers outfits. Politics is a lovely way to spend a day.
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I've got more respect for these three than the insignificant seven. I believe theirs is a genuinely principled act, albeit with principles I find abhorrent.
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Marky Dread » 20 Feb 2019, 3:11pm

Silent Majority wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 2:34pm
Marky Dread wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 1:36pm
Silent Majority wrote:
18 Feb 2019, 9:05am
The boy geniuses are leaving the Labour party. This will go great. It will be fantastic.
"Hey look at us were leaving too". Only two hours ago I had no idea who Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston and Heidi Allen were. Now they are famous and get to show off their new Marks & Spencers outfits. Politics is a lovely way to spend a day.
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I've got more respect for these three than the insignificant seven. I believe theirs is a genuinely principled act, albeit with principles I find abhorrent.
Gets you up and it gets you out
But how long can you keep it up?
Gimme Labour, gimme Tory
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Silent Majority » 22 Feb 2019, 6:33am

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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Marky Dread » 22 Feb 2019, 6:54am

Silent Majority wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 2:41pm
Inder wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 2:38pm
Ta-da!

Ive heard 0 things from these guys about how they'd approach Brexit.
I don't think they are planning to approach it from the left or the right. There must be another way we don't know about. ;)
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Silent Majority » 22 Feb 2019, 8:38am

Marky Dread wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 6:54am
Silent Majority wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 2:41pm
Inder wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 2:38pm
Ta-da!

Ive heard 0 things from these guys about how they'd approach Brexit.
I don't think they are planning to approach it from the left or the right. There must be another way we don't know about. ;)
A third way, you say?
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Dr. Medulla » 22 Feb 2019, 9:29am

Silent Majority wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 8:38am
Marky Dread wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 6:54am
Silent Majority wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 2:41pm
Inder wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 2:38pm
Ta-da!

Ive heard 0 things from these guys about how they'd approach Brexit.
I don't think they are planning to approach it from the left or the right. There must be another way we don't know about. ;)
A third way, you say?
Fun fact: If you made a composite face of all those principled tsk'ers, it'd look exactly like Tony Blair.
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Marky Dread » 22 Feb 2019, 11:59am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 9:29am
Silent Majority wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 8:38am
Marky Dread wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 6:54am
Silent Majority wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 2:41pm
Inder wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 2:38pm
Ta-da!

Ive heard 0 things from these guys about how they'd approach Brexit.
I don't think they are planning to approach it from the left or the right. There must be another way we don't know about. ;)
A third way, you say?
Fun fact: If you made a composite face of all those principled tsk'ers, it'd look exactly like Tony Blair.
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by JennyB » 22 Feb 2019, 12:43pm

I would imagine reality is somewhere in the middle. But again, my relatives, who have been longtime lefties, are scared. I wish people would listen to them.
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Dr. Medulla » 22 Feb 2019, 12:47pm

JennyB wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 12:43pm
I would imagine reality is somewhere in the middle. But again, my relatives, who have been longtime lefties, are scared. I wish people would listen to them.
What's the nature of the fear? That is, what do they think Corbyn would do? (I'm not asking in a snarky way; genuine curiosity.)
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Marky Dread » 22 Feb 2019, 12:54pm

JennyB wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 12:43pm
I would imagine reality is somewhere in the middle. But again, my relatives, who have been longtime lefties, are scared. I wish people would listen to them.
I genuinely feel for your relatives JB and any other people in this country suffering from any kind of racism. When I think what our fathers/grandfathers sacrificed for this to still rear it's ugly head in these times it's a disgrace.

This following statement from that article is the issue for me. This should not be a question that needs to be asked. Without any shadow of doubt reach for the latter.

“Do we respond with simple condemnation, or do we try and reach out beyond our comfort zone and prevent others from following?”
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by JennyB » 22 Feb 2019, 3:41pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 12:47pm
JennyB wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 12:43pm
I would imagine reality is somewhere in the middle. But again, my relatives, who have been longtime lefties, are scared. I wish people would listen to them.
What's the nature of the fear? That is, what do they think Corbyn would do? (I'm not asking in a snarky way; genuine curiosity.)
It's not Corbyn, per se. They feel, much like we do here in the states with Trump, that he has fostered an environment that makes it OK for people to come out of the woodwork and spew their hatred. According to the Guardian, there were 1,382 hate incidents and 34% rise in violent assaults against Jewish people in 2017. But people tend to not take antisemitism seriously because they see it as "punching up" and they often use the Israel excuse to back it up. But I would venture to guess that many people aren't necessarily as pro-Palestinian as they are anti-Jewish. I am the last person to claim antisemitism when someone criticizes Israel. But a lot of people hide behind that. And sometimes I feel that we are not allowed to determine what WE think is antisemitism.

ETA: We are dealing with this in St. Louis right now. It has not come to light yet, but a friend of mine is on the Board of Alderman. One of her fellow aldermen is very critical of Israel, which, fine. But he always has to make statements like "and they are the fake Jews - the Khazars" or "the Holocaust was exaggerated." Those are the kind of comments my cousins are being subjected to. Criticize Israel all you want. But leave your antisemitic conspiracy bullshit out of it.
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by JennyB » 22 Feb 2019, 3:42pm

Marky Dread wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 12:54pm
JennyB wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 12:43pm
I would imagine reality is somewhere in the middle. But again, my relatives, who have been longtime lefties, are scared. I wish people would listen to them.
I genuinely feel for your relatives JB and any other people in this country suffering from any kind of racism. When I think what our fathers/grandfathers sacrificed for this to still rear it's ugly head in these times it's a disgrace.

This following statement from that article is the issue for me. This should not be a question that needs to be asked. Without any shadow of doubt reach for the latter.

“Do we respond with simple condemnation, or do we try and reach out beyond our comfort zone and prevent others from following?”
Thank you, Marky.
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