eumaas wrote:This is actually an interesting moral question and a good use of the thread: is dealing drugs intrinsically immoral? If so, what distinguishes a drug dealer in a moral sense from a barman?
Or selling fire arms. All these things in the hands of the wrong person can be lethal to others. If you wanna drink yourself stupid or smoke yourself mental or fire a gun at targets then you're going to find a way of doing so inspite of what any law may or may not say'
Just do what you do to yourself and don't hurt anybody else in the process, loved ones, innocent bystanders etc...
In answer to your question my reply is nothing.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
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eumaas wrote:This is actually an interesting moral question and a good use of the thread: is dealing drugs intrinsically immoral? If so, what distinguishes a drug dealer in a moral sense from a barman?
Only for heroin and crack. Everything else is recreation, they're poison.
a lifetime serving one machine
Is ten times worse than prison
eumaas wrote:This is actually an interesting moral question and a good use of the thread: is dealing drugs intrinsically immoral? If so, what distinguishes a drug dealer in a moral sense from a barman?
Only for heroin and crack. Everything else is recreation, they're poison.
Meth is highly addictive.
Booze doesn't exactly have a good track record either.
I feel that there is a fascistic element, for example, in the Rolling Stones . . .
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eumaas wrote:This is actually an interesting moral question and a good use of the thread: is dealing drugs intrinsically immoral? If so, what distinguishes a drug dealer in a moral sense from a barman?
Only for heroin and crack. Everything else is recreation, they're poison.
Meth is highly addictive.
Booze doesn't exactly have a good track record either.
It's not exactly smack though, is it?
a lifetime serving one machine
Is ten times worse than prison
I guess the question (leaving aside whether we have a moral obligation to obey the law) is it intrinsically immoral to take heroin or crack (or whatever your anti-drug du jour is). If it isn't, is it still immoral to supply it? If it is, what makes it immoral?
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eumaas wrote:This is actually an interesting moral question and a good use of the thread: is dealing drugs intrinsically immoral? If so, what distinguishes a drug dealer in a moral sense from a barman?
Only for heroin and crack. Everything else is recreation, they're poison.
Meth is highly addictive.
Booze doesn't exactly have a good track record either.
It's not exactly smack though, is it?
I'm pretty sure booze kills more every year than smack, buddy.
I feel that there is a fascistic element, for example, in the Rolling Stones . . .
— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy
Flex wrote:I guess the question (leaving aside whether we have a moral obligation to obey the law) is it intrinsically immoral to take heroin or crack (or whatever your anti-drug du jour is). If it isn't, is it still immoral to supply it? If it is, what makes it immoral?
Is it immoral to shoot yourself in the head? No, it's a cowardly escape from reality. Is it immoral to hand over the loaded gun for your own financial gain? I think so.
a lifetime serving one machine
Is ten times worse than prison
Flex wrote:I guess the question (leaving aside whether we have a moral obligation to obey the law) is it intrinsically immoral to take heroin or crack (or whatever your anti-drug du jour is). If it isn't, is it still immoral to supply it? If it is, what makes it immoral?
Is it immoral to shoot yourself in the head? No, it's a cowardly escape from reality. Is it immoral to hand over the loaded gun for your own financial gain? I think so.
Are bartenders guilty of belonging to an immoral profession? More people die of alcohol abuse than heroin overdoses every year.
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a bowl of soup
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
Wiggle - you can raise the dead
eumaas wrote:This is actually an interesting moral question and a good use of the thread: is dealing drugs intrinsically immoral? If so, what distinguishes a drug dealer in a moral sense from a barman?
Only for heroin and crack. Everything else is recreation, they're poison.
Meth is highly addictive.
Booze doesn't exactly have a good track record either.
It's not exactly smack though, is it?
I'm pretty sure booze kills more every year than smack, buddy.
Acceptability is to blame.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
Silent Majority wrote:
Only for heroin and crack. Everything else is recreation, they're poison.
Meth is highly addictive.
Booze doesn't exactly have a good track record either.
It's not exactly smack though, is it?
I'm pretty sure booze kills more every year than smack, buddy.
Acceptability is to blame.
If we had a culture that lauded heroin use--like say if instead of taking a drink at the end of each Law and Order, they shot up--then it would affect usage rates, sure.
I feel that there is a fascistic element, for example, in the Rolling Stones . . .
— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy
Flex wrote:I guess the question (leaving aside whether we have a moral obligation to obey the law) is it intrinsically immoral to take heroin or crack (or whatever your anti-drug du jour is). If it isn't, is it still immoral to supply it? If it is, what makes it immoral?
Is it immoral to shoot yourself in the head? No, it's a cowardly escape from reality.
I don't buy the notion that suicide is cowardly. If you should be able to live your life the way you want, that includes deciding when you want to check out. No one knows what goes on in someone else's head, so I could never declare suicide a cowardly action.
"Grab some wood, bub.'" - Richard Nixon, Checkers Speech, abandoned early draft
A thought: I'm not sure that acceptability is necessarily a negative regarding death rates. When one looks at heroin overdoses, the majority are caused by taking heroin when other drugs or alcohol are already in the system. Some legitimization of heroin use, combined with improved education on how to use it more safely could actually lead to lower death-rate.
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a bowl of soup
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
Wiggle - you can raise the dead
Flex wrote:I guess the question (leaving aside whether we have a moral obligation to obey the law) is it intrinsically immoral to take heroin or crack (or whatever your anti-drug du jour is). If it isn't, is it still immoral to supply it? If it is, what makes it immoral?
Is it immoral to shoot yourself in the head? No, it's a cowardly escape from reality.
I don't buy the notion that suicide is cowardly. If you should be able to live your life the way you want, that includes deciding when you want to check out. No one knows what goes on in someone else's head, so I could never declare suicide a cowardly action.
I agree that suicide isn't necessarily cowardly. For one thing, it's highly unlikely that there's an afterlife, so extinguishing your consciousness under those circumstances would sometimes require taking a risk, which to me is opposed to cowardice.
I feel that there is a fascistic element, for example, in the Rolling Stones . . .
— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy
Flex wrote:I guess the question (leaving aside whether we have a moral obligation to obey the law) is it intrinsically immoral to take heroin or crack (or whatever your anti-drug du jour is). If it isn't, is it still immoral to supply it? If it is, what makes it immoral?
Is it immoral to shoot yourself in the head? No, it's a cowardly escape from reality.
I don't buy the notion that suicide is cowardly. If you should be able to live your life the way you want, that includes deciding when you want to check out. No one knows what goes on in someone else's head, so I could never declare suicide a cowardly action.
I agree that suicide isn't necessarily cowardly. For one thing, it's highly unlikely that there's an afterlife, so extinguishing your consciousness under those circumstances would sometimes require taking a risk, which to me is opposed to cowardice.
I think people call it cowardly when faced with the option of carrying on is the harder option.
The only thing I dislike about suicide is the selfish way in which some choose to end their lives. In the 80's while working for the Postal service offloading mail trains one xmas I was awaiting the arrival of the next mail train. The platform anouncer called across the tannoy the next train was a through train (non stopping) as this train passed through the station a guy ran out from behind me and threw himself in front of the train his blood shot across me onto my face and clothes as he was dragged down the line.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
Flex wrote:I guess the question (leaving aside whether we have a moral obligation to obey the law) is it intrinsically immoral to take heroin or crack (or whatever your anti-drug du jour is). If it isn't, is it still immoral to supply it? If it is, what makes it immoral?
Is it immoral to shoot yourself in the head? No, it's a cowardly escape from reality.
I don't buy the notion that suicide is cowardly. If you should be able to live your life the way you want, that includes deciding when you want to check out. No one knows what goes on in someone else's head, so I could never declare suicide a cowardly action.
I agree that suicide isn't necessarily cowardly. For one thing, it's highly unlikely that there's an afterlife, so extinguishing your consciousness under those circumstances would sometimes require taking a risk, which to me is opposed to cowardice.
I think people call it cowardly when faced with the option of carrying on is the harder option.
The only thing I dislike about suicide is the selfish way in which some choose to end their lives. In the 80's while working for the Postal service offloading mail trains one xmas I was awaiting the arrival of the next mail train. The platform anouncer called across the tannoy the next train was a through train (non stopping) as this train passed through the station a guy ran out from behind me and threw himself in front of the train his blood shot across me onto my face and clothes as he was dragged down the line.
I agree there. Best to do it in a cleanly, considerate fashion.
I feel that there is a fascistic element, for example, in the Rolling Stones . . .
— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy