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We went hiking over the weekend, and our GPS sent us onto private property that I am convinced was a neo-Nazi compound. We had to ask a guy for directions to the hiking area and he looked like he wanted to murder us (VH is rather swarthy). You know when you just know? The hair on the back of my neck was standing up.
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JennyB wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:09pm
We went hiking over the weekend, and our GPS sent us onto private property that I am convinced was a neo-Nazi compound. We had to ask a guy for directions to the hiking area and he looked like he wanted to murder us (VH is rather swarthy). You know when you just know? The hair on the back of my neck was standing up.
Would you say that you have pretty good Nazidar? I've always assumed that proof of my social position—white, male, middle class—is that I don't really have any kind of radar detector for bigotry toward me. My people have never needed to evolve in that way.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:24pm
JennyB wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:09pm
We went hiking over the weekend, and our GPS sent us onto private property that I am convinced was a neo-Nazi compound. We had to ask a guy for directions to the hiking area and he looked like he wanted to murder us (VH is rather swarthy). You know when you just know? The hair on the back of my neck was standing up.
Would you say that you have pretty good Nazidar? I've always assumed that proof of my social position—white, male, middle class—is that I don't really have any kind of radar detector for bigotry toward me. My people have never needed to evolve in that way.
Lucky you mate. Your social position maybe relative more about where you live and amongst who.

I've never been attacked for the colour of my skin or race but I've have loads of friends from all races with whom I've stood shoulder to shoulder with fighting these fuckers. Some ugly scenes but some fights are necessary.
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Marky Dread wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:34pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:24pm
JennyB wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:09pm
We went hiking over the weekend, and our GPS sent us onto private property that I am convinced was a neo-Nazi compound. We had to ask a guy for directions to the hiking area and he looked like he wanted to murder us (VH is rather swarthy). You know when you just know? The hair on the back of my neck was standing up.
Would you say that you have pretty good Nazidar? I've always assumed that proof of my social position—white, male, middle class—is that I don't really have any kind of radar detector for bigotry toward me. My people have never needed to evolve in that way.
Lucky you mate. Your social position maybe relative more about where you live and amongst who.

I've never been attacked for the colour of my skin or race but I've have loads of friends from all races with whom I've stood shoulder to shoulder with fighting these fuckers. Some ugly scenes but some fights are necessary.
Sorry if I came off as dismissive. It was more a flippant-seeking-to-be-wry comment about privilege in the form of never needing to think you're truly being discriminated against.
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JennyB wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:09pm
We went hiking over the weekend, and our GPS sent us onto private property that I am convinced was a neo-Nazi compound. We had to ask a guy for directions to the hiking area and he looked like he wanted to murder us (VH is rather swarthy). You know when you just know? The hair on the back of my neck was standing up.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 3:53pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:34pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:24pm
JennyB wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:09pm
We went hiking over the weekend, and our GPS sent us onto private property that I am convinced was a neo-Nazi compound. We had to ask a guy for directions to the hiking area and he looked like he wanted to murder us (VH is rather swarthy). You know when you just know? The hair on the back of my neck was standing up.
Would you say that you have pretty good Nazidar? I've always assumed that proof of my social position—white, male, middle class—is that I don't really have any kind of radar detector for bigotry toward me. My people have never needed to evolve in that way.
Lucky you mate. Your social position maybe relative more about where you live and amongst who.

I've never been attacked for the colour of my skin or race but I've have loads of friends from all races with whom I've stood shoulder to shoulder with fighting these fuckers. Some ugly scenes but some fights are necessary.
Sorry if I came off as dismissive. It was more a flippant-seeking-to-be-wry comment about privilege in the form of never needing to think you're truly being discriminated against.
Yeah I get that. But "white privilege" is just another label to me. No one dares talk about "black privilege" there are wealthy black people who care little for those that still remain in the ghettos. Nothing is ever simple when it comes to race hate.
Until we ALL learn to accept each other be it by colour or class etc we will truly struggle to move forward.
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Marky Dread wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 4:26pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 3:53pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:34pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:24pm
JennyB wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:09pm
We went hiking over the weekend, and our GPS sent us onto private property that I am convinced was a neo-Nazi compound. We had to ask a guy for directions to the hiking area and he looked like he wanted to murder us (VH is rather swarthy). You know when you just know? The hair on the back of my neck was standing up.
Would you say that you have pretty good Nazidar? I've always assumed that proof of my social position—white, male, middle class—is that I don't really have any kind of radar detector for bigotry toward me. My people have never needed to evolve in that way.
Lucky you mate. Your social position maybe relative more about where you live and amongst who.

I've never been attacked for the colour of my skin or race but I've have loads of friends from all races with whom I've stood shoulder to shoulder with fighting these fuckers. Some ugly scenes but some fights are necessary.
Sorry if I came off as dismissive. It was more a flippant-seeking-to-be-wry comment about privilege in the form of never needing to think you're truly being discriminated against.
Yeah I get that. But "white privilege" is just another label to me. No one dares talk about "black privilege" there are wealthy black people who care little for those that still remain in the ghettos. Nothing is ever simple when it comes to race hate.
Until we ALL learn to accept each other be it by colour or class etc we will truly struggle to move forward.
I agree with you that struggle has to come across the board, all across the class and race and gender spectrums.

White privilege, though, means that wealthy black people can still have the police called on them for no reason - like asking a white woman to put a leash on their dog - and it turning into murder by cop. White people get the benefit of the doubt in a way that everyone else doesn't. They'll be offered a job more readily and assumed to be brighter. That's the privilege, not the material wealth.
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Silent Majority wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 4:39pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 4:26pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 3:53pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:34pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:24pm


Would you say that you have pretty good Nazidar? I've always assumed that proof of my social position—white, male, middle class—is that I don't really have any kind of radar detector for bigotry toward me. My people have never needed to evolve in that way.
Lucky you mate. Your social position maybe relative more about where you live and amongst who.

I've never been attacked for the colour of my skin or race but I've have loads of friends from all races with whom I've stood shoulder to shoulder with fighting these fuckers. Some ugly scenes but some fights are necessary.
Sorry if I came off as dismissive. It was more a flippant-seeking-to-be-wry comment about privilege in the form of never needing to think you're truly being discriminated against.
Yeah I get that. But "white privilege" is just another label to me. No one dares talk about "black privilege" there are wealthy black people who care little for those that still remain in the ghettos. Nothing is ever simple when it comes to race hate.
Until we ALL learn to accept each other be it by colour or class etc we will truly struggle to move forward.
I agree with you that struggle has to come across the board, all across the class and race and gender spectrums.

White privilege, though, means that wealthy black people can still have the police called on them for no reason - like asking a white woman to put a leash on their dog - and it turning into murder by cop. White people get the benefit of the doubt in a way that everyone else doesn't. They'll be offered a job more readily and assumed to be brighter. That's the privilege, not the material wealth.
A couple weeks ago, a federal cabinet minister and (I believe) lawyer originally from Somalia gave an interview during which he related being followed by security in stores, followed closely by cop cars, all the usual shitty ways that POC are told they are suspicious on sight. A guy with an infinite amount of influence and accomplishment over me, but that's crap that never happens to me. So I get the benefit of being mostly unconscious to it all when in public, but he has to be constantly aware that his behaviour could be interpreted as criminal.
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Silent Majority wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 4:39pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 4:26pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 3:53pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:34pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:24pm


Would you say that you have pretty good Nazidar? I've always assumed that proof of my social position—white, male, middle class—is that I don't really have any kind of radar detector for bigotry toward me. My people have never needed to evolve in that way.
Lucky you mate. Your social position maybe relative more about where you live and amongst who.

I've never been attacked for the colour of my skin or race but I've have loads of friends from all races with whom I've stood shoulder to shoulder with fighting these fuckers. Some ugly scenes but some fights are necessary.
Sorry if I came off as dismissive. It was more a flippant-seeking-to-be-wry comment about privilege in the form of never needing to think you're truly being discriminated against.
Yeah I get that. But "white privilege" is just another label to me. No one dares talk about "black privilege" there are wealthy black people who care little for those that still remain in the ghettos. Nothing is ever simple when it comes to race hate.
Until we ALL learn to accept each other be it by colour or class etc we will truly struggle to move forward.
I agree with you that struggle has to come across the board, all across the class and race and gender spectrums.

White privilege, though, means that wealthy black people can still have the police called on them for no reason - like asking a white woman to put a leash on their dog - and it turning into murder by cop. White people get the benefit of the doubt in a way that everyone else doesn't. They'll be offered a job more readily and assumed to be brighter. That's the privilege, not the material wealth.
Yes, yes of course I'm not suggesting that "white privilege" doesn't continue to keep us all down. The killing of black people through Police brutality is a disgrace. But then the killing by police brutality of any man is a disgrace. As to "That's the privilege" that assumes all white people think the same and I do not accept that. Racists exist everywhere from many different walks of life. I may be of "white privilege" but I can still choose to treat all with respect and consideration.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 3:53pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:34pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:24pm
JennyB wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:09pm
We went hiking over the weekend, and our GPS sent us onto private property that I am convinced was a neo-Nazi compound. We had to ask a guy for directions to the hiking area and he looked like he wanted to murder us (VH is rather swarthy). You know when you just know? The hair on the back of my neck was standing up.
Would you say that you have pretty good Nazidar? I've always assumed that proof of my social position—white, male, middle class—is that I don't really have any kind of radar detector for bigotry toward me. My people have never needed to evolve in that way.
Lucky you mate. Your social position maybe relative more about where you live and amongst who.

I've never been attacked for the colour of my skin or race but I've have loads of friends from all races with whom I've stood shoulder to shoulder with fighting these fuckers. Some ugly scenes but some fights are necessary.
Sorry if I came off as dismissive. It was more a flippant-seeking-to-be-wry comment about privilege in the form of never needing to think you're truly being discriminated against.
That's how I read it - not as flippant. I wouldn't call it Nazidar, but just a good instinct of people I should stay away from.
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Marky Dread wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 4:56pm
Silent Majority wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 4:39pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 4:26pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 3:53pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 2:34pm


Lucky you mate. Your social position maybe relative more about where you live and amongst who.

I've never been attacked for the colour of my skin or race but I've have loads of friends from all races with whom I've stood shoulder to shoulder with fighting these fuckers. Some ugly scenes but some fights are necessary.
Sorry if I came off as dismissive. It was more a flippant-seeking-to-be-wry comment about privilege in the form of never needing to think you're truly being discriminated against.
Yeah I get that. But "white privilege" is just another label to me. No one dares talk about "black privilege" there are wealthy black people who care little for those that still remain in the ghettos. Nothing is ever simple when it comes to race hate.
Until we ALL learn to accept each other be it by colour or class etc we will truly struggle to move forward.
I agree with you that struggle has to come across the board, all across the class and race and gender spectrums.

White privilege, though, means that wealthy black people can still have the police called on them for no reason - like asking a white woman to put a leash on their dog - and it turning into murder by cop. White people get the benefit of the doubt in a way that everyone else doesn't. They'll be offered a job more readily and assumed to be brighter. That's the privilege, not the material wealth.
Yes, yes of course I'm not suggesting that "white privilege" doesn't continue to keep us all down. The killing of black people through Police brutality is a disgrace. But then the killing by police brutality of any man is a disgrace. As to "That's the privilege" that assumes all white people think the same and I do not accept that. Racists exist everywhere from many different walks of life. I may be of "white privilege" but I can still choose to treat all with respect and consideration.
No, of course. I've got no doubt at all that you do. The concept of white privilege is a systemic thing. It's not saying that all whites have it easy or that all are racists, it's just that they don't have to deal with the particular shit that black (and brown) people do in areas of the world where they are in a minority.
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Silent Majority wrote:
16 Jun 2020, 1:23am
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 4:56pm
Silent Majority wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 4:39pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 4:26pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 3:53pm


Sorry if I came off as dismissive. It was more a flippant-seeking-to-be-wry comment about privilege in the form of never needing to think you're truly being discriminated against.
Yeah I get that. But "white privilege" is just another label to me. No one dares talk about "black privilege" there are wealthy black people who care little for those that still remain in the ghettos. Nothing is ever simple when it comes to race hate.
Until we ALL learn to accept each other be it by colour or class etc we will truly struggle to move forward.
I agree with you that struggle has to come across the board, all across the class and race and gender spectrums.

White privilege, though, means that wealthy black people can still have the police called on them for no reason - like asking a white woman to put a leash on their dog - and it turning into murder by cop. White people get the benefit of the doubt in a way that everyone else doesn't. They'll be offered a job more readily and assumed to be brighter. That's the privilege, not the material wealth.
Yes, yes of course I'm not suggesting that "white privilege" doesn't continue to keep us all down. The killing of black people through Police brutality is a disgrace. But then the killing by police brutality of any man is a disgrace. As to "That's the privilege" that assumes all white people think the same and I do not accept that. Racists exist everywhere from many different walks of life. I may be of "white privilege" but I can still choose to treat all with respect and consideration.
No, of course. I've got no doubt at all that you do. The concept of white privilege is a systemic thing. It's not saying that all whites have it easy or that all are racists, it's just that they don't have to deal with the particular shit that black (and brown) people do in areas of the world where they are in a minority.
I think that one of the biggest enemies may be stereotyping. There are many poor areas here in the UK (as across the world) where having white privilege means very little. Poor predominantly white council estates that are heavily rife with drugs. Where the police no longer see you as a human being but just as lowlife.

Being white middle class and coming from a nice neighbourhood and just being aware of "white privilege" simply isn't enough.

Having the experience of growing up with black friends and seeing and hearing racist bullshit first hand and fighting against this injustice doesn't make me "righteous" or "woke" but at least it showed I cared and did something. Knowledge is power but only if you choose to use it.
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