No, No, Don't Worry. Racism is Pretty Much Over.

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Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Racism is Pretty Much Over.

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Wolter wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 6:08pm
101Walterton wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 5:55pm
Wolter wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 5:50pm
101Walterton wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 5:42pm
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Yes in the US but it happens here in the UK in custody. The world over I expect. Yes the current death of George Floyd has at last got the world paying attention but sadly there have been many George Floyd's.
It is unlawful in UK to shoot someone for running away / escaping.
You can only shoot to protect your life or someone else’s.
The problem is, in the US, a cop just has to claim they believed they were in danger and they will almost always get by with zero repercussions, whether they were in danger or not.
I don’t get how they can argue that when a guy is running away or driving off in a car?
a combination of very powerful police unions and a populace who has been conditioned by entertainment media to trust the police implicitly. Oh, and racism. Lots of racism.
I understand that part unfortunately.
Would it be too simple to suggest that you can’t shoot someone for running away / driving away unless someone’s life is in immediate threat e.g. they are firing a gun!

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Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Racism is Pretty Much Over.

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101Walterton wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 6:47pm
Wolter wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 6:08pm
101Walterton wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 5:55pm
Wolter wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 5:50pm
101Walterton wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 5:42pm


It is unlawful in UK to shoot someone for running away / escaping.
You can only shoot to protect your life or someone else’s.
The problem is, in the US, a cop just has to claim they believed they were in danger and they will almost always get by with zero repercussions, whether they were in danger or not.
I don’t get how they can argue that when a guy is running away or driving off in a car?
a combination of very powerful police unions and a populace who has been conditioned by entertainment media to trust the police implicitly. Oh, and racism. Lots of racism.
I understand that part unfortunately.
Would it be too simple to suggest that you can’t shoot someone for running away / driving away unless someone’s life is in immediate threat e.g. they are firing a gun!
Unfortunately they will argue they thought they heard a gun or saw a muzzle flash and that’s the ballgame.

Half the shit the police do now is against the rules but they do it anyway. They are not salvageable nor reformable in their current state.
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Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Racism is Pretty Much Over.

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Wolt is pretty much nailing it.

Police have been by default elevated to heroes for most white Americans and to even question that has been treasonous to some people.

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Re: No, No, Don't Worry. Racism is Pretty Much Over.

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Add in the favourable bias if not outright corruption of district attorneys not pursuing charges against the police for certain criminal behaviour. Perhaps you can grant them some slack in knowing that they wouldn't able to convict, given the public's attitude toward cop-on-POC violence, but it smells more like an open cover-up. I remember during Ferguson, the DA engaged in tactics to *not* get a grand jury indictment that experienced court watchers found blatant.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 7:49pm
Add in the favourable bias if not outright corruption of district attorneys not pursuing charges against the police for certain criminal behaviour. Perhaps you can grant them some slack in knowing that they wouldn't able to convict, given the public's attitude toward cop-on-POC violence, but it smells more like an open cover-up. I remember during Ferguson, the DA engaged in tactics to *not* get a grand jury indictment that experienced court watchers found blatant.
I think it was you who pointed to 9/11 as a turning point and I tend to agree although there had been a ramping up before that, just think of the annual crime bills of the 90s. I think 9/11 allowed for the final stamp

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revbob wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 8:08pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 7:49pm
Add in the favourable bias if not outright corruption of district attorneys not pursuing charges against the police for certain criminal behaviour. Perhaps you can grant them some slack in knowing that they wouldn't able to convict, given the public's attitude toward cop-on-POC violence, but it smells more like an open cover-up. I remember during Ferguson, the DA engaged in tactics to *not* get a grand jury indictment that experienced court watchers found blatant.
I think it was you who pointed to 9/11 as a turning point and I tend to agree although there had been a ramping up before that, just think of the annual crime bills of the 90s. I think 9/11 allowed for the final stamp
I don't think it was me, but I agree. Yes, the War on Drugs gave police departments an interest in being aggressive, but 9/11 really encouraged police to act as military (with military gear) within the domestic sphere. There are sensible budgetary reasons for the police to act as gangs and exacting gang revenge on challengers.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 8:18pm
revbob wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 8:08pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 7:49pm
Add in the favourable bias if not outright corruption of district attorneys not pursuing charges against the police for certain criminal behaviour. Perhaps you can grant them some slack in knowing that they wouldn't able to convict, given the public's attitude toward cop-on-POC violence, but it smells more like an open cover-up. I remember during Ferguson, the DA engaged in tactics to *not* get a grand jury indictment that experienced court watchers found blatant.
I think it was you who pointed to 9/11 as a turning point and I tend to agree although there had been a ramping up before that, just think of the annual crime bills of the 90s. I think 9/11 allowed for the final stamp
I don't think it was me, but I agree. Yes, the War on Drugs gave police departments an interest in being aggressive, but 9/11 really encouraged police to act as military (with military gear) within the domestic sphere. There are sensible budgetary reasons for the police to act as gangs and exacting gang revenge on challengers.
Oh yeah War on Drugs

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