The Dictator observations thread.

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Marky Dread wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 4:06pm

The fight continues...
Definitly
tonight we celebrate
tomorrow it's a new day
but that give hope and it's important
and it was important to say FRANCE TODAY SAY NO TO THE FAR RIGHT
and fuck yeah it feels good

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bazarboy75 wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 4:04pm
Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 3:57pm
bazarboy75 wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 3:26pm
Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 2:58pm
Flex wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 2:17pm
Good on ya, France.
Very reassuring but Macron is still one lucky fucker. No doubt they'll try to spin it as a big win for him, but it's nothing of the sort.
You re probably right mate he s will try some move
But you re 100% right he is a fucker
Should be fun if the left demand Melenchon is appointed next Prime Minister!
Well i don t think he is the good option.
We need to reunite the left wing here melenchon can t do that and he never will
Uniting the left is a struggle in every damn country :disshame:

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Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 4:28pm


Uniting the left is a struggle in every damn country :disshame:
Tell me about that mate
But for all i know and as a$fart i can understand thing it's the only way
France it's not a left wing country and it's a bit sad but i've got to accept this but it's also not the ned each one got to do what they think it's right to do if you see what i mean
what we need to bring together is above all it's all the forces that want to move forward to fight the reactionary forces.

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bazarboy75 wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 4:20pm
Marky Dread wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 4:06pm

The fight continues...
Definitly
tonight we celebrate
tomorrow it's a new day
but that give hope and it's important
and it was important to say FRANCE TODAY SAY NO TO THE FAR RIGHT
and fuck yeah it feels good
I'm happy for you my friend. From small victories...
Image

Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty


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bazarboy75 wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 4:34pm
Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 4:28pm


Uniting the left is a struggle in every damn country :disshame:
Tell me about that mate
But for all i know and as a$fart i can understand thing it's the only way
France it's not a left wing country and it's a bit sad but i've got to accept this but it's also not the ned each one got to do what they think it's right to do if you see what i mean
what we need to bring together is above all it's all the forces that want to move forward to fight the reactionary forces.
I see exactly what you mean mate. For me the lesson here is no compromise ever with the far right, be it Le Pen, Meloni, Farage or whoever. No compromise or hardening your stance or shifting right to appeal to their voters. Fight the bastards every inch of the way as well as the garbage media that spews out their hatred. You might just win doing it!

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Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 5:12pm
bazarboy75 wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 4:34pm
Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 4:28pm


Uniting the left is a struggle in every damn country :disshame:
Tell me about that mate
But for all i know and as a$fart i can understand thing it's the only way
France it's not a left wing country and it's a bit sad but i've got to accept this but it's also not the ned each one got to do what they think it's right to do if you see what i mean
what we need to bring together is above all it's all the forces that want to move forward to fight the reactionary forces.
I see exactly what you mean mate. For me the lesson here is no compromise ever with the far right, be it Le Pen, Meloni, Farage or whoever. No compromise or hardening your stance or shifting right to appeal to their voters. Fight the bastards every inch of the way as well as the garbage media that spews out their hatred. You might just win doing it!
100% this. Don't concede anything to them ever.

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Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 4:28pm
Uniting the left is a struggle in every damn country :disshame:
I always laugh when the left is treated as some kind of monolith. A united left is almost a contradiction in terms. There's always one principle or another to justify (well, rationalize) going in different directions (I'm quite guilty of this myself).
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 5:39pm
Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 4:28pm
Uniting the left is a struggle in every damn country :disshame:
I always laugh when the left is treated as some kind of monolith. A united left is almost a contradiction in terms. There's always one principle or another to justify (well, rationalize) going in different directions (I'm quite guilty of this myself).
Yeah, I think it was Brendan Behan who came up with the "first item on the agenda: the split" line, but it's a familiar leftist trope by now. It's a spectrum I guess, there's a lot of people call themselves "of the left" who, when you dig down into it, don't seem all that lefty from where I'm standing. Socially left and economically liberal or even the other way round can be round pegs into square holes where the more purist lefties are concerned, I think.

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Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 6:26pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 5:39pm
Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 4:28pm
Uniting the left is a struggle in every damn country :disshame:
I always laugh when the left is treated as some kind of monolith. A united left is almost a contradiction in terms. There's always one principle or another to justify (well, rationalize) going in different directions (I'm quite guilty of this myself).
Yeah, I think it was Brendan Behan who came up with the "first item on the agenda: the split" line, but it's a familiar leftist trope by now. It's a spectrum I guess, there's a lot of people call themselves "of the left" who, when you dig down into it, don't seem all that lefty from where I'm standing. Socially left and economically liberal or even the other way round can be round pegs into square holes where the more purist lefties are concerned, I think.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat as you. I can only speak from the North American context here, but one of the outgrowths of the 1960s/70s and the New Left was a shift from the economic to the cultural, from mass identity to personal or small group liberation. And that ended up easy to be co-opted by neo-liberalism. You can have as much diversity of identity and expression as you want, but it's going to go thru the market. I don't want to shit on the very real and meaningful gains of marginalized peoples—honestly, they are bright spots in the past five decades—but it did little to stop the transfer of wealth and power to a narrower and narrower fraction.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 6:54pm
Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 6:26pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 5:39pm
Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 4:28pm
Uniting the left is a struggle in every damn country :disshame:
I always laugh when the left is treated as some kind of monolith. A united left is almost a contradiction in terms. There's always one principle or another to justify (well, rationalize) going in different directions (I'm quite guilty of this myself).
Yeah, I think it was Brendan Behan who came up with the "first item on the agenda: the split" line, but it's a familiar leftist trope by now. It's a spectrum I guess, there's a lot of people call themselves "of the left" who, when you dig down into it, don't seem all that lefty from where I'm standing. Socially left and economically liberal or even the other way round can be round pegs into square holes where the more purist lefties are concerned, I think.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat as you. I can only speak from the North American context here, but one of the outgrowths of the 1960s/70s and the New Left was a shift from the economic to the cultural, from mass identity to personal or small group liberation. And that ended up easy to be co-opted by neo-liberalism. You can have as much diversity of identity and expression as you want, but it's going to go thru the market. I don't want to shit on the very real and meaningful gains of marginalized peoples—honestly, they are bright spots in the past five decades—but it did little to stop the transfer of wealth and power to a narrower and narrower fraction.
For me it's the pretty basic premise of thinking people shouldn't be regarded as dangerous extremists because they wish to nationalise a few poxy industries or believe the housing crisis might be usefully addressed (and a few other intractable problems with it) if every half-baked "solution" put forward didn't have to involve a tiny cohort with lots of money making even more money. And culturally, while I believe anyone has the right to argue for womens rights or single sex spaces or whatever else it is they want, doing so while promoting and encouraging hate on a tiny powerless minority suggests to me you are not "of the left" and quite plausibly never really were to begin with.

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Low Down Low wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 2:05am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 6:54pm
Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 6:26pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 5:39pm
Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 4:28pm
Uniting the left is a struggle in every damn country :disshame:
I always laugh when the left is treated as some kind of monolith. A united left is almost a contradiction in terms. There's always one principle or another to justify (well, rationalize) going in different directions (I'm quite guilty of this myself).
Yeah, I think it was Brendan Behan who came up with the "first item on the agenda: the split" line, but it's a familiar leftist trope by now. It's a spectrum I guess, there's a lot of people call themselves "of the left" who, when you dig down into it, don't seem all that lefty from where I'm standing. Socially left and economically liberal or even the other way round can be round pegs into square holes where the more purist lefties are concerned, I think.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat as you. I can only speak from the North American context here, but one of the outgrowths of the 1960s/70s and the New Left was a shift from the economic to the cultural, from mass identity to personal or small group liberation. And that ended up easy to be co-opted by neo-liberalism. You can have as much diversity of identity and expression as you want, but it's going to go thru the market. I don't want to shit on the very real and meaningful gains of marginalized peoples—honestly, they are bright spots in the past five decades—but it did little to stop the transfer of wealth and power to a narrower and narrower fraction.
For me it's the pretty basic premise of thinking people shouldn't be regarded as dangerous extremists because they wish to nationalise a few poxy industries or believe the housing crisis might be usefully addressed (and a few other intractable problems with it) if every half-baked "solution" put forward didn't have to involve a tiny cohort with lots of money making even more money. And culturally, while I believe anyone has the right to argue for womens rights or single sex spaces or whatever else it is they want, doing so while promoting and encouraging hate on a tiny powerless minority suggests to me you are not "of the left" and quite plausibly never really were to begin with.
But if you've written books about wizards and such? That should be an exception.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 6:15am
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 2:05am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 6:54pm
Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 6:26pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 5:39pm


I always laugh when the left is treated as some kind of monolith. A united left is almost a contradiction in terms. There's always one principle or another to justify (well, rationalize) going in different directions (I'm quite guilty of this myself).
Yeah, I think it was Brendan Behan who came up with the "first item on the agenda: the split" line, but it's a familiar leftist trope by now. It's a spectrum I guess, there's a lot of people call themselves "of the left" who, when you dig down into it, don't seem all that lefty from where I'm standing. Socially left and economically liberal or even the other way round can be round pegs into square holes where the more purist lefties are concerned, I think.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat as you. I can only speak from the North American context here, but one of the outgrowths of the 1960s/70s and the New Left was a shift from the economic to the cultural, from mass identity to personal or small group liberation. And that ended up easy to be co-opted by neo-liberalism. You can have as much diversity of identity and expression as you want, but it's going to go thru the market. I don't want to shit on the very real and meaningful gains of marginalized peoples—honestly, they are bright spots in the past five decades—but it did little to stop the transfer of wealth and power to a narrower and narrower fraction.
For me it's the pretty basic premise of thinking people shouldn't be regarded as dangerous extremists because they wish to nationalise a few poxy industries or believe the housing crisis might be usefully addressed (and a few other intractable problems with it) if every half-baked "solution" put forward didn't have to involve a tiny cohort with lots of money making even more money. And culturally, while I believe anyone has the right to argue for womens rights or single sex spaces or whatever else it is they want, doing so while promoting and encouraging hate on a tiny powerless minority suggests to me you are not "of the left" and quite plausibly never really were to begin with.
But if you've written books about wizards and such? That should be an exception.
If wizard lady with the fash friends is claiming to be of the left, then I am joining her in self identifying as a chair.

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Low Down Low wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 6:53am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 6:15am
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 2:05am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 6:54pm
Low Down Low wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 6:26pm


Yeah, I think it was Brendan Behan who came up with the "first item on the agenda: the split" line, but it's a familiar leftist trope by now. It's a spectrum I guess, there's a lot of people call themselves "of the left" who, when you dig down into it, don't seem all that lefty from where I'm standing. Socially left and economically liberal or even the other way round can be round pegs into square holes where the more purist lefties are concerned, I think.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat as you. I can only speak from the North American context here, but one of the outgrowths of the 1960s/70s and the New Left was a shift from the economic to the cultural, from mass identity to personal or small group liberation. And that ended up easy to be co-opted by neo-liberalism. You can have as much diversity of identity and expression as you want, but it's going to go thru the market. I don't want to shit on the very real and meaningful gains of marginalized peoples—honestly, they are bright spots in the past five decades—but it did little to stop the transfer of wealth and power to a narrower and narrower fraction.
For me it's the pretty basic premise of thinking people shouldn't be regarded as dangerous extremists because they wish to nationalise a few poxy industries or believe the housing crisis might be usefully addressed (and a few other intractable problems with it) if every half-baked "solution" put forward didn't have to involve a tiny cohort with lots of money making even more money. And culturally, while I believe anyone has the right to argue for womens rights or single sex spaces or whatever else it is they want, doing so while promoting and encouraging hate on a tiny powerless minority suggests to me you are not "of the left" and quite plausibly never really were to begin with.
But if you've written books about wizards and such? That should be an exception.
If wizard lady with the fash friends is claiming to be of the left, then I am joining her in self identifying as a chair.
Well, I'd sit on you and spill popcorn any day.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 7:51am
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 6:53am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 6:15am
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 2:05am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Jul 2024, 6:54pm


Yeah, I'm in the same boat as you. I can only speak from the North American context here, but one of the outgrowths of the 1960s/70s and the New Left was a shift from the economic to the cultural, from mass identity to personal or small group liberation. And that ended up easy to be co-opted by neo-liberalism. You can have as much diversity of identity and expression as you want, but it's going to go thru the market. I don't want to shit on the very real and meaningful gains of marginalized peoples—honestly, they are bright spots in the past five decades—but it did little to stop the transfer of wealth and power to a narrower and narrower fraction.
For me it's the pretty basic premise of thinking people shouldn't be regarded as dangerous extremists because they wish to nationalise a few poxy industries or believe the housing crisis might be usefully addressed (and a few other intractable problems with it) if every half-baked "solution" put forward didn't have to involve a tiny cohort with lots of money making even more money. And culturally, while I believe anyone has the right to argue for womens rights or single sex spaces or whatever else it is they want, doing so while promoting and encouraging hate on a tiny powerless minority suggests to me you are not "of the left" and quite plausibly never really were to begin with.
But if you've written books about wizards and such? That should be an exception.
If wizard lady with the fash friends is claiming to be of the left, then I am joining her in self identifying as a chair.
Well, I'd sit on you and spill popcorn any day.
I do like to maintain a clean space tbh, if you want to be messy, why not try that JKR chair over there on the far right?

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Low Down Low wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 8:39am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 7:51am
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 6:53am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 6:15am
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Jul 2024, 2:05am


For me it's the pretty basic premise of thinking people shouldn't be regarded as dangerous extremists because they wish to nationalise a few poxy industries or believe the housing crisis might be usefully addressed (and a few other intractable problems with it) if every half-baked "solution" put forward didn't have to involve a tiny cohort with lots of money making even more money. And culturally, while I believe anyone has the right to argue for womens rights or single sex spaces or whatever else it is they want, doing so while promoting and encouraging hate on a tiny powerless minority suggests to me you are not "of the left" and quite plausibly never really were to begin with.
But if you've written books about wizards and such? That should be an exception.
If wizard lady with the fash friends is claiming to be of the left, then I am joining her in self identifying as a chair.
Well, I'd sit on you and spill popcorn any day.
I do like to maintain a clean space tbh, if you want to be messy, why not try that JKR chair over there on the far right?
I can stand for a bit. :meh:
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