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Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 6:30am
by Dr. Medulla
Flex wrote:The latest horrifying story: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/lethal ... rs-n163086

But don't worry, the vast majority of random online commenters have decided the problem - if one exists at all - is this dude the state murdered didn't suffer enough. There's nothing soul crushingly horrifying about that kind of sentiment at all.
It's more than a little unsettling to see how many people gleefully embrace the mindset of the brutal killer or rapist when they say these guys deserve to be raped in prison or tortured, that it's valid treatment. You know, if your moral zone has a significant venn overlap with the monsters being incarcerated, maybe it's look-in-the-mirror time.

Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 10:56am
by matedog
Kinda reminds me about the news story recently about the dude that found his son being molested and beat the shit out of the molester. He hasn't been charged of anything the last I heard. Of course all commenters are saying that the father was kind for not killing the molester, etc. While I no doubt have sympathy with the father and could see myself doing the same thing in the same situation, the father really needs to be charged with assault or similar.

Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 12:23pm
by Dr. Medulla
matedog wrote:Kinda reminds me about the news story recently about the dude that found his son being molested and beat the shit out of the molester. He hasn't been charged of anything the last I heard. Of course all commenters are saying that the father was kind for not killing the molester, etc. While I no doubt have sympathy with the father and could see myself doing the same thing in the same situation, the father really needs to be charged with assault or similar.
If the father beat up the guy at the time he found the guy raping his kid, no, that would be accepted as self-defense. If it were after the fact—i.e., kid tells him what happens, dad hunts the guy down and kicks the shit out of him—then it would be assault, but I suspect it'd be tough to get a jury to convict. You only need one eye-for-an-eye person on the jury.

Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 12:57pm
by matedog
Dr. Medulla wrote:
matedog wrote:Kinda reminds me about the news story recently about the dude that found his son being molested and beat the shit out of the molester. He hasn't been charged of anything the last I heard. Of course all commenters are saying that the father was kind for not killing the molester, etc. While I no doubt have sympathy with the father and could see myself doing the same thing in the same situation, the father really needs to be charged with assault or similar.
If the father beat up the guy at the time he found the guy raping his kid, no, that would be accepted as self-defense. If it were after the fact—i.e., kid tells him what happens, dad hunts the guy down and kicks the shit out of him—then it would be assault, but I suspect it'd be tough to get a jury to convict. You only need one eye-for-an-eye person on the jury.
Oh, I guess that's correct. I suppose the degree of "defense" was a bit excessive, but that probably isn't something people would pursue. Reminds me of that guy that shot and killed the guy that molested his son and got manslaughter/5 years probation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Plauche) when it was clearly premeditated.

Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 1:16pm
by Flex
matedog wrote:Oh, I guess that's correct. I suppose the degree of "defense" was a bit excessive, but that probably isn't something people would pursue. Reminds me of that guy that shot and killed the guy that molested his son and got manslaughter/5 years probation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Plauche) when it was clearly premeditated.
I just looked at the latest news articles. The father walked in to find a guy molesting his 11 year old son. Father beats the molester into a coma and, according to the father, was going to get a knife to stab the molester to death. The son intervened and stopped the father from murdering the guy. Crazy shit.

Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 1:44pm
by Dr. Medulla
Flex wrote:
matedog wrote:Oh, I guess that's correct. I suppose the degree of "defense" was a bit excessive, but that probably isn't something people would pursue. Reminds me of that guy that shot and killed the guy that molested his son and got manslaughter/5 years probation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Plauche) when it was clearly premeditated.
I just looked at the latest news articles. The father walked in to find a guy molesting his 11 year old son. Father beats the molester into a coma and, according to the father, was going to get a knife to stab the molester to death. The son intervened and stopped the father from murdering the guy. Crazy shit.
I would guess some kind of temporary insanity plea would convince at least one juror. And, depending on what dad was like otherwise, it might be entirely valid. As Hoy said, in the same situation we might do the same thing. I'd like to think not, but, who knows. Certainly nothing for third parties to revel in, tho.

Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 1:47pm
by Flex
Dr. Medulla wrote:I would guess some kind of temporary insanity plea would convince at least one juror. And, depending on what dad was like otherwise, it might be entirely valid. As Hoy said, in the same situation we might do the same thing. I'd like to think not, but, who knows. Certainly nothing for third parties to revel in, tho.
Yeah, for me it's not so much whether he should have been charged (probably not, and even if so there's no way he'd be convicted) as the grotesque bloodlust on display from the commentariat.

Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 1:59pm
by Dr. Medulla
Flex wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:I would guess some kind of temporary insanity plea would convince at least one juror. And, depending on what dad was like otherwise, it might be entirely valid. As Hoy said, in the same situation we might do the same thing. I'd like to think not, but, who knows. Certainly nothing for third parties to revel in, tho.
Yeah, for me it's not so much whether he should have been charged (probably not, and even if so there's no way he'd be convicted) as the grotesque bloodlust on display from the commentariat.
Back in '49, when Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. put forth his defence of liberalism versus mass society/totalitarianism, he declared that within every man is a Hitler or a Stalin that we need to guard against. Whenever I see those kinds of bloodlust declarations about someone's guilt and how no torture is sufficient for his or her crime, I wonder whether Artie's pessimism had some merit.

Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 2:02pm
by Rat Patrol

Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 12:49pm
by Dr. Medulla
http://gawker.com/unable-to-score-letha ... 1682966222

Credit to RP for his earlier analysis on executions going forward.

Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 3:37pm
by 101Walterton
Looks like Chan and Sukumaran are going to face the firing squad in the next week. I bet they wish they didn't help the guards in that riot now.

Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 15 May 2015, 4:42pm
by Rat Patrol
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/15/us/boston ... index.html

So we're gonna make a martyr out of him as an example to others. I see the feds are still thinking through their cunning geopolitical anger management plan thoroughly.Image

Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 15 May 2015, 4:50pm
by Dr. Medulla
Rat Patrol wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/15/us/boston ... index.html

So we're gonna make a martyr out of him as an example to others. I see the feds are still thinking through their cunning geopolitical anger management plan thoroughly.Image
Might well be a kindness to him if the other likely option is a near-perpetual solitary confinement that leaves his brain jello. Because the Western nations are civilized and shit.

Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 15 May 2015, 5:00pm
by Rat Patrol
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Rat Patrol wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/15/us/boston ... index.html

So we're gonna make a martyr out of him as an example to others. I see the feds are still thinking through their cunning geopolitical anger management plan thoroughly.Image
Might well be a kindness to him if the other likely option is a near-perpetual solitary confinement that leaves his brain jello. Because the Western nations are civilized and shit.
Oh, yes. Supermax is barbaric.

But now he gets exactly what he wants, it gets used as propaganda by extremists everywhere (including the Randian Jesus ones), he stays in the news for multiple automatic appeals for years on end, he gets private guards on death row, and he costs the government 5 times as much as if he got life. And if it's like McVeigh's execution, the victim's families will feel totally empty inside--moreso than before--at the senselessness of it all when it actually happens and they see Texans firing their guns in the air in celebration because the Good Guy™ extremists done learned a Bad Guy™ extremist what's what...even though he can't feel anything and learned nothing.


Humankind wins at death. Undefeatedly so. But Real 'Murcans are exceptional at it.

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Re: Injected with Love: The Death Penalty Thread

Posted: 27 May 2015, 9:30pm
by Rat Patrol
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2015/ ... stack_5_hp

Another one bites the dust.

Wow...did not see that one coming from a state that has Kansas' B.O. stinking up its southern border.