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Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 16 Jul 2018, 10:06pm
by TeddyB Not Logged In
Well, Joe's estate doesn't own "U.S. North", studio version (which is B.A.D. with Joe on additional vocals) or demo. They have been granted the rights by Mick, who thinks the demo is substandard for release (for one thing, the "guitar" on it is a keytar), and whose music it is. I suspect Mick also doesn't really jibe with the cassette being part of the bait for the $119 price tag, in terms of the fans. There isn't much music in the Super Deluxe that isn't included in the 2CD with A4 book of Joe's writings -- the cassette and a 7" single. I know Sound System cost more, but it was a ton of music, including some unreleased, and a great package.

Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 2:06am
by BR16ADE_R055E
TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
16 Jul 2018, 10:06pm
Well, Joe's estate doesn't own "U.S. North", studio version (which is B.A.D. with Joe on additional vocals) or demo. They have been granted the rights by Mick, who thinks the demo is substandard for release (for one thing, the "guitar" on it is a keytar), and whose music it is. I suspect Mick also doesn't really jibe with the cassette being part of the bait for the $119 price tag, in terms of the fans. There isn't much music in the Super Deluxe that isn't included in the 2CD with A4 book of Joe's writings -- the cassette and a 7" single. I know Sound System cost more, but it was a ton of music, including some unreleased, and a great package.
I think I’m going to get the 2CD or maybe the 2CD and book. I have no interest in the vinyl. The 7" single and cassette songs will probably end up on YouTube anyway.

Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 2:52am
by TeddyB Not Logged In
I have one order in for the Super Deluxe and one for the 2CD with book. I’m going to cancel one - probably the box. Hopefully Briggy is right and the 7” ends up on YouTube.

Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 12:08pm
by Flex
I think it's cool that Mick is engaged with this box in any way, really. Very sweet gesture from him, imho.

Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 18 Jul 2018, 2:15pm
by 101Walterton
Flex wrote:
17 Jul 2018, 12:08pm
I think it's cool that Mick is engaged with this box in any way, really. Very sweet gesture from him, imho.
I agree.

Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 19 Jul 2018, 11:38am
by Tim Bucknall
f'ck it, if this is the final tracklisting i'm gonna get the deluxe for the extra tracks with Pete "killbot" Howard

i've been begging for 1983-85 stuff to be released for ever and here it is

please let the mastering be better than pouring rain on TFIU

the dates for the Clash II tracks changes with every press report i've seen so jury is out about who plays on it

2 bullets is from sid & nancy , the scene where sid craves "gimme a fix" on his chest , alex cox refers to it on the commentary

Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 19 Jul 2018, 11:57am
by Heston
Tim Bucknall wrote:
19 Jul 2018, 11:38am
please let the mastering be better than pouring rain on TFIU
Wasn't Pouring Rain from TFIU the live version? This looks like the Out of Control demo version judging by the track length.

Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 19 Jul 2018, 11:58am
by Tim Bucknall
yup TFIU was the live version

the picture gets clearer (unless Strummer wrote the wrong date on the tape box)

“Czechoslovak Song/Where Is England”

1983 Previously Unreleased 1/2 Inch Tape Master Demo dated August.
Early version of “This Is England”
Joe Strummer: Vocals & Guitar. Paul Simonon: Bass. Pete Howard: Drums.


“Pouring Rain”
1984 Previously Unreleased 1 inch 8-track Demo Recorded July 1984.
Joe Strummer: Vocals & Guitar. Paul Simonon: Bass. Pete Howard: Drums.

wonder what the other guys were doing when this happened!- i always thought Joe was with his dying mum in July

“This is England” (7″ SINGLE)
1984 July Demo
Previously Unreleased.1 Inch 8 Track Tape Demo.
Joe Strummer: Vocals & Guitar, Paul Simonon: Bass, Pete Howard: Drums.
Mixed by Peter J. Moore 2018


“Before We Go Forward”
1984 July Demo
Previously Unreleased. 1 Inch 8 Track Tape Demo.
Joe Strummer: Vocals & Guitar, Paul Simonon: Bass, Pete Howard: Drums.
Mixed by Peter J. Moore 2018

Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 19 Jul 2018, 12:13pm
by Heston
Tim Bucknall wrote:
19 Jul 2018, 11:58am
yup TFIU was the live version

the picture gets clearer (unless Strummer wrote the wrong date on the tape box)

“Czechoslovak Song/Where Is England”

1983 Previously Unreleased 1/2 Inch Tape Master Demo dated August.
Early version of “This Is England”
Joe Strummer: Vocals & Guitar. Paul Simonon: Bass. Pete Howard: Drums.


“Pouring Rain”
1984 Previously Unreleased 1 inch 8-track Demo Recorded July 1984.
Joe Strummer: Vocals & Guitar. Paul Simonon: Bass. Pete Howard: Drums.

wonder what the other guys were doing when this happened!- i always thought Joe was with his dying mum in July

“This is England” (7″ SINGLE)
1984 July Demo
Previously Unreleased.1 Inch 8 Track Tape Demo.
Joe Strummer: Vocals & Guitar, Paul Simonon: Bass, Pete Howard: Drums.
Mixed by Peter J. Moore 2018


“Before We Go Forward”
1984 July Demo
Previously Unreleased. 1 Inch 8 Track Tape Demo.
Joe Strummer: Vocals & Guitar, Paul Simonon: Bass, Pete Howard: Drums.
Mixed by Peter J. Moore 2018
It is a bit weird that there is no credit for Nick and Vince on the July 84 demos, unless it was a rough recording session and they intended them to add their parts later.

Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 19 Jul 2018, 3:12pm
by Marky Dread
Heston wrote:
19 Jul 2018, 12:13pm
Tim Bucknall wrote:
19 Jul 2018, 11:58am
yup TFIU was the live version

the picture gets clearer (unless Strummer wrote the wrong date on the tape box)

“Czechoslovak Song/Where Is England”

1983 Previously Unreleased 1/2 Inch Tape Master Demo dated August.
Early version of “This Is England”
Joe Strummer: Vocals & Guitar. Paul Simonon: Bass. Pete Howard: Drums.


“Pouring Rain”
1984 Previously Unreleased 1 inch 8-track Demo Recorded July 1984.
Joe Strummer: Vocals & Guitar. Paul Simonon: Bass. Pete Howard: Drums.

wonder what the other guys were doing when this happened!- i always thought Joe was with his dying mum in July

“This is England” (7″ SINGLE)
1984 July Demo
Previously Unreleased.1 Inch 8 Track Tape Demo.
Joe Strummer: Vocals & Guitar, Paul Simonon: Bass, Pete Howard: Drums.
Mixed by Peter J. Moore 2018


“Before We Go Forward”
1984 July Demo
Previously Unreleased. 1 Inch 8 Track Tape Demo.
Joe Strummer: Vocals & Guitar, Paul Simonon: Bass, Pete Howard: Drums.
Mixed by Peter J. Moore 2018
It is a bit weird that there is no credit for Nick and Vince on the July 84 demos, unless it was a rough recording session and they intended them to add their parts later.
This is my guess that it's just a rough work up with Joe and Pete. I'm wondering if it is a bit like the version Joe played with the Latino Rockabilly War with the extended drum intro.

Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 24 Jul 2018, 5:42pm
by BR16ADE_R055E
TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
15 Jul 2018, 9:55pm
The Clash have always been very protective of their oeuvre.
While on this subject, I’m glad they allowed SISOSIG to be used on Stranger Things. The show wouldn’t be the same w/o it.

A nice article: https://www.indiewire.com/2017/08/stran ... 1201867771

Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 24 Jul 2018, 5:50pm
by TeddyB Not Logged In
BR16ADE_R055E wrote:
24 Jul 2018, 5:42pm
TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
15 Jul 2018, 9:55pm
The Clash have always been very protective of their oeuvre.
While on this subject, I’m glad they allowed SISOSIG to be used on Stranger Things. The show wouldn’t be the same w/o it.

A nice article: https://www.indiewire.com/2017/08/stran ... 1201867771

Approved personally by Mick.

Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 24 Jul 2018, 5:54pm
by laxman
TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
24 Jul 2018, 5:50pm
BR16ADE_R055E wrote:
24 Jul 2018, 5:42pm
TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
15 Jul 2018, 9:55pm
The Clash have always been very protective of their oeuvre.
While on this subject, I’m glad they allowed SISOSIG to be used on Stranger Things. The show wouldn’t be the same w/o it.

A nice article: https://www.indiewire.com/2017/08/stran ... 1201867771

Approved personally by Mick.
Nice. I just watched Series 2 recently. Good to hear Radio Clash on there.

Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 24 Jul 2018, 7:23pm
by BR16ADE_R055E
TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
24 Jul 2018, 5:50pm
BR16ADE_R055E wrote:
24 Jul 2018, 5:42pm
TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
15 Jul 2018, 9:55pm
The Clash have always been very protective of their oeuvre.
While on this subject, I’m glad they allowed SISOSIG to be used on Stranger Things. The show wouldn’t be the same w/o it.

A nice article: https://www.indiewire.com/2017/08/stran ... 1201867771

Approved personally by Mick.
I figured he was the one Nora had to convince. His song, after all.

Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

Posted: 24 Jul 2018, 7:24pm
by BR16ADE_R055E
laxman wrote:
24 Jul 2018, 5:54pm
Good to hear Radio Clash on there.
Indeed.