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10 Nov 2022, 2:01pm
Have to say outwardly the chemistry of the final line up looked absolutely spot on to me. I thought Tymon was an inspired addition and gave them a new dimension that elevated them beyond the previous set up. Live, they were simply fantastic. I never did give much thought into the internal dynamics, just assumed they were all one big happy family!
Yeah I liked Tymon in the line-up. However Martin and Scott did an awful lot. So I can imagine Joe not wanting to lose either of them.
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Marky Dread wrote:
10 Nov 2022, 2:41pm
Low Down Low wrote:
10 Nov 2022, 2:01pm
Have to say outwardly the chemistry of the final line up looked absolutely spot on to me. I thought Tymon was an inspired addition and gave them a new dimension that elevated them beyond the previous set up. Live, they were simply fantastic. I never did give much thought into the internal dynamics, just assumed they were all one big happy family!
Yeah I liked Tymon in the line-up. However Martin and Scott did an awful lot. So I can imagine Joe not wanting to lose either of them.
Oh for sure, Slatto was more or less musical director and Scott his deputy so they were clearly the main men in the equation. Again, just speculating here, but I wouldn't find it difficult to imagine Tymon just knocking it on the head if he didn't feel his input was being valued enough. Not sure if it would have come to that, though.

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Low Down Low wrote:
10 Nov 2022, 3:08pm
Marky Dread wrote:
10 Nov 2022, 2:41pm
Low Down Low wrote:
10 Nov 2022, 2:01pm
Have to say outwardly the chemistry of the final line up looked absolutely spot on to me. I thought Tymon was an inspired addition and gave them a new dimension that elevated them beyond the previous set up. Live, they were simply fantastic. I never did give much thought into the internal dynamics, just assumed they were all one big happy family!
Yeah I liked Tymon in the line-up. However Martin and Scott did an awful lot. So I can imagine Joe not wanting to lose either of them.
Oh for sure, Slatto was more or less musical director and Scott his deputy so they were clearly the main men in the equation. Again, just speculating here, but I wouldn't find it difficult to imagine Tymon just knocking it on the head if he didn't feel his input was being valued enough. Not sure if it would have come to that, though.
I would like to think they could've worked out any differences.
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Whatever the dynamics were within that last line-up of the band, it's worth noting that a few years later Tymon released an absolute ace of a single. I love all three tracks. https://www.discogs.com/master/2371459- ... Guantanamo

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Whatever the dynamics were within that last line-up of the band, it's worth noting that a few years later Tymon released an absolute ace of a single. I love all three tracks. https://www.discogs.com/master/2371459- ... Guantanamo
I'm sure I had download of that can't find it though. But wherever it is I agree it's very good.

I have that compilation of his stuff. His albums are not so easy to find.
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Marky Dread wrote:
10 Nov 2022, 1:50pm
IkarisOne wrote:
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Was this from an interview? I hadn't heard about Tymon's impending dismissal.
I was a bit curious to read in the Pat Gilbert Mojo piece that there was some tension between Tymon and other members of the band, but I can't recall ever hearing or reading anything about his imminent sacking.
I remember reading (where, I don't recall) that after Joe died Martin and Scott shut out Tymon while they finished Streetcore. Notice Tymon is nowhere to be found on it except for Silver & Gold, which was a Global outtake M&S were initially reluctant to include but relented at Luce's insistence.

I had also never heard about any tension between Joe and Tymon.
I dont think it was with Joe, it was the other two. I think it might be touched on in Visions of a Homeland but it was definitely being discussed at Strummer News and Tim's old board at the time.
So Joe wasn't exactly fixing to can his old friend but didn't want the other two be at loggerheads with Tymon.

In fairness Slattery and Shields would've been a far greater loss to the Mescaleros as they were both amazing multi-instrumentalists in my opinion.

Do you think that's a fair comment CK?
Well, the decision would have been Joe's and the scuttlebutt was that he was leaning in that direction. I think it would have been suicidal because Tymon was the catalyst that made that band magic. There are other stories from that time as well but Inder will be very cross with me if I divulge.

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IkarisOne wrote:
10 Nov 2022, 6:42pm
Marky Dread wrote:
10 Nov 2022, 1:50pm
IkarisOne wrote:
10 Nov 2022, 1:22pm
msza2 wrote:
10 Nov 2022, 7:59am
Low Down Low wrote:
09 Nov 2022, 8:40pm


I was a bit curious to read in the Pat Gilbert Mojo piece that there was some tension between Tymon and other members of the band, but I can't recall ever hearing or reading anything about his imminent sacking.
I remember reading (where, I don't recall) that after Joe died Martin and Scott shut out Tymon while they finished Streetcore. Notice Tymon is nowhere to be found on it except for Silver & Gold, which was a Global outtake M&S were initially reluctant to include but relented at Luce's insistence.

I had also never heard about any tension between Joe and Tymon.
I dont think it was with Joe, it was the other two. I think it might be touched on in Visions of a Homeland but it was definitely being discussed at Strummer News and Tim's old board at the time.
So Joe wasn't exactly fixing to can his old friend but didn't want the other two be at loggerheads with Tymon.

In fairness Slattery and Shields would've been a far greater loss to the Mescaleros as they were both amazing multi-instrumentalists in my opinion.

Do you think that's a fair comment CK?
Well, the decision would have been Joe's and the scuttlebutt was that he was leaning in that direction. I think it would have been suicidal because Tymon was the catalyst that made that band magic. There are other stories from that time as well but Inder will be very cross with me if I divulge.
So let Inder be cross. Some beans need to be spilled.😉
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