If Music Could Talk

Low Down Low wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 2:01pm

Have to say outwardly the chemistry of the final line up looked absolutely spot on to me. I thought Tymon was an inspired addition and gave them a new dimension that elevated them beyond the previous set up. Live, they were simply fantastic. I never did give much thought into the internal dynamics, just assumed they were all one big happy family!

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 2:41pm

Low Down Low wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 2:01pm

Have to say outwardly the chemistry of the final line up looked absolutely spot on to me. I thought Tymon was an inspired addition and gave them a new dimension that elevated them beyond the previous set up. Live, they were simply fantastic. I never did give much thought into the internal dynamics, just assumed they were all one big happy family!

Yeah I liked Tymon in the line-up. However Martin and Scott did an awful lot. So I can imagine Joe not wanting to lose either of them.

Low Down Low wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 3:08pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 2:41pm

Low Down Low wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 2:01pm

Have to say outwardly the chemistry of the final line up looked absolutely spot on to me. I thought Tymon was an inspired addition and gave them a new dimension that elevated them beyond the previous set up. Live, they were simply fantastic. I never did give much thought into the internal dynamics, just assumed they were all one big happy family!

Yeah I liked Tymon in the line-up. However Martin and Scott did an awful lot. So I can imagine Joe not wanting to lose either of them.

Oh for sure, Slatto was more or less musical director and Scott his deputy so they were clearly the main men in the equation. Again, just speculating here, but I wouldn't find it difficult to imagine Tymon just knocking it on the head if he didn't feel his input was being valued enough. Not sure if it would have come to that, though.

appleseed1 wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 5:54pm

Whatever the dynamics were within that last line-up of the band, it's worth noting that a few years later Tymon released an absolute ace of a single. I love all three tracks. https://www.discogs.com/master/2371459- ... Guantanamo

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 1:50pm

IkarisOne wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 1:22pm

msza2 wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 7:59am

Low Down Low wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2022, 8:40pm

Kory wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2022, 8:01pm

Was this from an interview? I hadn't heard about Tymon's impending dismissal.

I was a bit curious to read in the Pat Gilbert Mojo piece that there was some tension between Tymon and other members of the band, but I can't recall ever hearing or reading anything about his imminent sacking.

I remember reading (where, I don't recall) that after Joe died Martin and Scott shut out Tymon while they finished Streetcore. Notice Tymon is nowhere to be found on it except for Silver & Gold, which was a Global outtake M&S were initially reluctant to include but relented at Luce's insistence.

I had also never heard about any tension between Joe and Tymon.

I dont think it was with Joe, it was the other two. I think it might be touched on in Visions of a Homeland but it was definitely being discussed at Strummer News and Tim's old board at the time.

So Joe wasn't exactly fixing to can his old friend but didn't want the other two be at loggerheads with Tymon.

In fairness Slattery and Shields would've been a far greater loss to the Mescaleros as they were both amazing multi-instrumentalists in my opinion.

Do you think that's a fair comment CK?

IkarisOne wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 6:42pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 1:50pm

IkarisOne wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 1:22pm

msza2 wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 7:59am

Low Down Low wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2022, 8:40pm

I was a bit curious to read in the Pat Gilbert Mojo piece that there was some tension between Tymon and other members of the band, but I can't recall ever hearing or reading anything about his imminent sacking.

I remember reading (where, I don't recall) that after Joe died Martin and Scott shut out Tymon while they finished Streetcore. Notice Tymon is nowhere to be found on it except for Silver & Gold, which was a Global outtake M&S were initially reluctant to include but relented at Luce's insistence.

I had also never heard about any tension between Joe and Tymon.

I dont think it was with Joe, it was the other two. I think it might be touched on in Visions of a Homeland but it was definitely being discussed at Strummer News and Tim's old board at the time.

So Joe wasn't exactly fixing to can his old friend but didn't want the other two be at loggerheads with Tymon.

In fairness Slattery and Shields would've been a far greater loss to the Mescaleros as they were both amazing multi-instrumentalists in my opinion.

Do you think that's a fair comment CK?

Well, the decision would have been Joe's and the scuttlebutt was that he was leaning in that direction. I think it would have been suicidal because Tymon was the catalyst that made that band magic. There are other stories from that time as well but Inder will be very cross with me if I divulge.

IkarisOne wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 6:42pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 1:50pm

IkarisOne wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 1:22pm

msza2 wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 7:59am

Low Down Low wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2022, 8:40pm

I was a bit curious to read in the Pat Gilbert Mojo piece that there was some tension between Tymon and other members of the band, but I can't recall ever hearing or reading anything about his imminent sacking.

I remember reading (where, I don't recall) that after Joe died Martin and Scott shut out Tymon while they finished Streetcore. Notice Tymon is nowhere to be found on it except for Silver & Gold, which was a Global outtake M&S were initially reluctant to include but relented at Luce's insistence.

I had also never heard about any tension between Joe and Tymon.

I dont think it was with Joe, it was the other two. I think it might be touched on in Visions of a Homeland but it was definitely being discussed at Strummer News and Tim's old board at the time.

So Joe wasn't exactly fixing to can his old friend but didn't want the other two be at loggerheads with Tymon.

In fairness Slattery and Shields would've been a far greater loss to the Mescaleros as they were both amazing multi-instrumentalists in my opinion.

Do you think that's a fair comment CK?

Well, the decision would have been Joe's and the scuttlebutt was that he was leaning in that direction. I think it would have been suicidal because Tymon was the catalyst that made that band magic. There are other stories from that time as well but Inder will be very cross with me if I divulge.

A judge told Kansas authorities to destroy electronic copies of newspaper's files taken during raid

Attorney Bernie Rhodes, who represents the newspaper, said a judge ordered authorities to hand over those electronic records and destroy any copies they have of them along with all photographs that officers took during the raids.

The local prosecutor and sheriff agreed investigators shouldn't keep that evidence, but Rhodes insisted on a court order to document it. It won't be clear what files were on the drive until Rhodes gets a copy.

Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑

30 Aug 2023, 5:32pm

A judge told Kansas authorities to destroy electronic copies of newspaper's files taken during raid

Attorney Bernie Rhodes, who represents the newspaper, said a judge ordered authorities to hand over those electronic records and destroy any copies they have of them along with all photographs that officers took during the raids.

The local prosecutor and sheriff agreed investigators shouldn't keep that evidence, but Rhodes insisted on a court order to document it. It won't be clear what files were on the drive until Rhodes gets a copy.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/a-judge-to ... -1.6540370

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

30 Aug 2023, 6:06pm

Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑

30 Aug 2023, 5:32pm

A judge told Kansas authorities to destroy electronic copies of newspaper's files taken during raid

Attorney Bernie Rhodes, who represents the newspaper, said a judge ordered authorities to hand over those electronic records and destroy any copies they have of them along with all photographs that officers took during the raids.

The local prosecutor and sheriff agreed investigators shouldn't keep that evidence, but Rhodes insisted on a court order to document it. It won't be clear what files were on the drive until Rhodes gets a copy.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/a-judge-to ... -1.6540370

motorsmell wrote: ↑

17 Dec 2022, 6:12am

IkarisOne wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 6:42pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 1:50pm

IkarisOne wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 1:22pm

msza2 wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 7:59am

I remember reading (where, I don't recall) that after Joe died Martin and Scott shut out Tymon while they finished Streetcore. Notice Tymon is nowhere to be found on it except for Silver & Gold, which was a Global outtake M&S were initially reluctant to include but relented at Luce's insistence.

I had also never heard about any tension between Joe and Tymon.

I dont think it was with Joe, it was the other two. I think it might be touched on in Visions of a Homeland but it was definitely being discussed at Strummer News and Tim's old board at the time.

So Joe wasn't exactly fixing to can his old friend but didn't want the other two be at loggerheads with Tymon.

In fairness Slattery and Shields would've been a far greater loss to the Mescaleros as they were both amazing multi-instrumentalists in my opinion.

Do you think that's a fair comment CK?

Well, the decision would have been Joe's and the scuttlebutt was that he was leaning in that direction. I think it would have been suicidal because Tymon was the catalyst that made that band magic. There are other stories from that time as well but Inder will be very cross with me if I divulge.

I always got an uneasy feeling about how the rest of the band viewed Tymon. During the Let's rock again film (I think in the extras more than the main feature) there does seem to be a bit of a pisstaking attitude towards Tymon. I got the impression that Tymon was brought in because he was one of Joe's oldest mates and was never accepted fully in to the mescaleros.
I saw him do a short set at the strummer memorial recently and he didn't do anything I recognized however it was a great set!

Kory wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2023, 5:06pm

motorsmell wrote: ↑

17 Dec 2022, 6:12am

IkarisOne wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 6:42pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 1:50pm

IkarisOne wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022, 1:22pm

I dont think it was with Joe, it was the other two. I think it might be touched on in Visions of a Homeland but it was definitely being discussed at Strummer News and Tim's old board at the time.

So Joe wasn't exactly fixing to can his old friend but didn't want the other two be at loggerheads with Tymon.

In fairness Slattery and Shields would've been a far greater loss to the Mescaleros as they were both amazing multi-instrumentalists in my opinion.

Do you think that's a fair comment CK?

Well, the decision would have been Joe's and the scuttlebutt was that he was leaning in that direction. I think it would have been suicidal because Tymon was the catalyst that made that band magic. There are other stories from that time as well but Inder will be very cross with me if I divulge.

I always got an uneasy feeling about how the rest of the band viewed Tymon. During the Let's rock again film (I think in the extras more than the main feature) there does seem to be a bit of a pisstaking attitude towards Tymon. I got the impression that Tymon was brought in because he was one of Joe's oldest mates and was never accepted fully in to the mescaleros.
I saw him do a short set at the strummer memorial recently and he didn't do anything I recognized however it was a great set!

I think about this every time I listen to Global now. What was the real deal, I wonder? Was Tymon hard to get along with or something? It's not like Luke or Simon were original members deaeither...