Re: When a new official release for The Clash?
Posted: 02 Feb 2019, 5:31pm
ha yes. even Bernie's shed would be more than enough.
The 25th anniversary Legacy Edition is the 1999 remaster. #DistortedDingTeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑29 Jan 2019, 7:21pmSony obviously want to do something for the 40th of London Calling. The 30th Anniversary release already had the main guts of a mega release (remastered album, Vanilla Tapes and a making-of DVD, without the now de rigeur fancy book and packaging, with good value for money. Sound System, on the other hand, collected the band's entire oeuvre with very cool packaging and multiple books, for a price that other acts are now charging for a mega deluxe of merely one album.
So what to do? What's the solution?
Mick says he has made some "elegant" suggestions to Sony. We'll see how that goes.
I agree. I'll take something along the lines of the Jam's Fire & Skill set. Other than that - Rat Patrol makes the most sense. I think most of us consider that the Holy Grail.
I think Rat Patrol is less likely after offloading the two main outtakes on Sound System. It's a harder sell without as much "previously unreleased" material.WestwayKid wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 11:21amI agree. I'll take something along the lines of the Jam's Fire & Skill set. Other than that - Rat Patrol makes the most sense. I think most of us consider that the Holy Grail.
I also really don't see Mick ever giving the okay for Rat Patrol - simply out of respect for Joe not being able to offer his input/approval. I can definitely appreciate that & Marky's version is really good. Clash on Broadway would be fantastic - especially if combined with some Bonds recordings. I think that would make a fantastic set.matedog wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 11:38amI think Rat Patrol is less likely after offloading the two main outtakes on Sound System. It's a harder sell without as much "previously unreleased" material.WestwayKid wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 11:21amI agree. I'll take something along the lines of the Jam's Fire & Skill set. Other than that - Rat Patrol makes the most sense. I think most of us consider that the Holy Grail.
Holy Grail for me would be Lewisham audio (since I'm not convinced there is more footage) and a completed Clash on Broadway film (since I am convinced there is more footage).
I've suggested this a few times over the years, as have others. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows there's some good songs on there (I will never subscribe to the "This Is England is the only good song on it" cliche), but yeah, it will never happen.WestwayKid wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 12:08pmThis will never happen - and maybe it shouldn't happen even if it could - but a "daydream release" for me would be if they took the CtC multi tracks - saved Joe's vocals - and then rerecorded the music - maybe using the Lucky 8 demos as a guide - with Paul, Nick, Pete and maybe even Vince if he promises to behave. There are some decent songs - but all of the Bernie-ness would need to be stripped away.
Plus some songs were better on CTC than live. "Dictator" for example, because it went from really boring to...interesting.Heston wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 12:59pmI've suggested this a few times over the years, as have others. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows there's some good songs on there (I will never subscribe to the "This Is England is the only good song on it" cliche), but yeah, it will never happen.WestwayKid wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 12:08pmThis will never happen - and maybe it shouldn't happen even if it could - but a "daydream release" for me would be if they took the CtC multi tracks - saved Joe's vocals - and then rerecorded the music - maybe using the Lucky 8 demos as a guide - with Paul, Nick, Pete and maybe even Vince if he promises to behave. There are some decent songs - but all of the Bernie-ness would need to be stripped away.
Are You Red...y was fantastic live AND studio.matedog wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 1:26pmPlus some songs were better on CTC than live. "Dictator" for example, because it went from really boring to...interesting.Heston wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 12:59pmI've suggested this a few times over the years, as have others. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows there's some good songs on there (I will never subscribe to the "This Is England is the only good song on it" cliche), but yeah, it will never happen.WestwayKid wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 12:08pmThis will never happen - and maybe it shouldn't happen even if it could - but a "daydream release" for me would be if they took the CtC multi tracks - saved Joe's vocals - and then rerecorded the music - maybe using the Lucky 8 demos as a guide - with Paul, Nick, Pete and maybe even Vince if he promises to behave. There are some decent songs - but all of the Bernie-ness would need to be stripped away.
YES! I've always thought that was a great track. The "Lucky 8" demos show the potential of the songs & the potential of the quartet of Joe, Paul, Nick & Pete.Heston wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 1:36pmAre You Red...y was fantastic live AND studio.matedog wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 1:26pmPlus some songs were better on CTC than live. "Dictator" for example, because it went from really boring to...interesting.Heston wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 12:59pmI've suggested this a few times over the years, as have others. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows there's some good songs on there (I will never subscribe to the "This Is England is the only good song on it" cliche), but yeah, it will never happen.WestwayKid wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 12:08pmThis will never happen - and maybe it shouldn't happen even if it could - but a "daydream release" for me would be if they took the CtC multi tracks - saved Joe's vocals - and then rerecorded the music - maybe using the Lucky 8 demos as a guide - with Paul, Nick, Pete and maybe even Vince if he promises to behave. There are some decent songs - but all of the Bernie-ness would need to be stripped away.
This thing about TIE being the only good song though. How can you like the recorded works of the Clash and not think Three Card Trick is a good song? It's better than most of Combat Rock and a big chunk of S!
For all I disdain CtC and fail to see even its bernie-less potential, I’d certainly never subscribe to the TiE only quality song position. TCT is definitely a decent song, probably akin to Car Jamming for me. I don’t think Are You Redy is that good a song though and certainly wouldn’t have dictator live or studio. Musically and lyrically these are not interesting songs for me, as is WATC. North and South I like and Cool under Heat has some potential, the rest I’d rather forget about. All opinions I guess.Heston wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 1:36pmAre You Red...y was fantastic live AND studio.matedog wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 1:26pmPlus some songs were better on CTC than live. "Dictator" for example, because it went from really boring to...interesting.Heston wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 12:59pmI've suggested this a few times over the years, as have others. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows there's some good songs on there (I will never subscribe to the "This Is England is the only good song on it" cliche), but yeah, it will never happen.WestwayKid wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 12:08pmThis will never happen - and maybe it shouldn't happen even if it could - but a "daydream release" for me would be if they took the CtC multi tracks - saved Joe's vocals - and then rerecorded the music - maybe using the Lucky 8 demos as a guide - with Paul, Nick, Pete and maybe even Vince if he promises to behave. There are some decent songs - but all of the Bernie-ness would need to be stripped away.
This thing about TIE being the only good song though. How can you like the recorded works of the Clash and not think Three Card Trick is a good song? It's better than most of Combat Rock and a big chunk of S!
I just always get the impression that the people who say TIE is the only good song on CtC have only ever heard that song.Low Down Low wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 3:07pmFor all I disdain CtC and fail to see even its bernie-less potential, I’d certainly never subscribe to the TiE only quality song position. TCT is definitely a decent song, probably akin to Car Jamming for me. I don’t think Are You Redy is that good a song though and certainly wouldn’t have dictator live or studio. Musically and lyrically these are not interesting songs for me, as is WATC. North and South I like and Cool under Heat has some potential, the rest I’d rather forget about. All opinions I guess.Heston wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 1:36pmAre You Red...y was fantastic live AND studio.matedog wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 1:26pmPlus some songs were better on CTC than live. "Dictator" for example, because it went from really boring to...interesting.Heston wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 12:59pmI've suggested this a few times over the years, as have others. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows there's some good songs on there (I will never subscribe to the "This Is England is the only good song on it" cliche), but yeah, it will never happen.WestwayKid wrote: ↑04 Feb 2019, 12:08pmThis will never happen - and maybe it shouldn't happen even if it could - but a "daydream release" for me would be if they took the CtC multi tracks - saved Joe's vocals - and then rerecorded the music - maybe using the Lucky 8 demos as a guide - with Paul, Nick, Pete and maybe even Vince if he promises to behave. There are some decent songs - but all of the Bernie-ness would need to be stripped away.
This thing about TIE being the only good song though. How can you like the recorded works of the Clash and not think Three Card Trick is a good song? It's better than most of Combat Rock and a big chunk of S!