I read the essays initially online back in the day was it the CCS website? Can you just give us a quick backstory / timeline as to how the book came about.
Clash City Showdown Revisited?
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Yep. I'd done a bunch of postings on AOL back in the Stone Age and assembled them into a fanzine in 1994, which I sold to fans through AOL. I did most of it after hours at work and really had a blast doing it. When Mick came to NYC for the Higher Power tour I called him when he appeared on WBAI and arranged to drop some copies off for him at the Paramount in Times Square. The weird thing is I'm pretty sure I ran into him on the street, but he was all bundled up with hat and scarf and sunglasses because it was colder than fuck. Teddy told me Mick liked to wander around when he pulled into a city, especially NYC.101Walterton wrote: ↑08 Jan 2020, 3:10pmI read the essays initially online back in the day was it the CCS website? Can you just give us a quick backstory / timeline as to how the book came about.
Anyhow, in doing the zine I met a Clash tape trader named Jeff Dove, who had a very early Clash website, The Clash Zone. He wanted to put a page of my stuff on his site and so we did. I did the book cover illustration for that page.
Jeff kind of lost interest in The Clash Zone so I put it all up on my AOL site. When Joe came back around in '99, I updated pretty much everyday and it was all quite raucous and jolly good fun.
Then Joe passed on, sadly. So the following year I put everything together, wrote some new material, did some new artwork and published it on-demand through this really crap mom-and-pop shop in Michigan. But it was all a blast. The book is now totally out of print and was listing for a thousand bucks at one point on Ebay and Amazon. But apparently there aren't any copies for sale anywhere.
But a Scottish chap at a big glossy mag in the UK bought it and hired me on to do some articles for his mag, out of which came the big Clash II thing where I spent 300 dollars interviewing Pete Howard on the phone because I forgot to do that 10-10-220 thing before I dialed. Whatever, it was a blast talking to Pete. And becoming friendly with Nick got me those 1983 demos that Inder and I did those ersatz single releases for, which was good fun too.
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Anyone got a link to the PDF? Cheers.
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You are a gentleman and a scholar, thanks.
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Cheers CK. I remember the Clash Zone site and it was through that trail I found my way here (Satchs) via Snews etc..IkarisOne wrote: ↑08 Jan 2020, 3:29pmYep. I'd done a bunch postings on AOL back in the Stone Age and assembled them into a fanzine in 1994, which I sold to fans through AOL. I did most of it after hours at work and really had a blast doing it. When Mick came to NYC for the Higher Power tour I called him when he appeared on WBAI and arranged to drop some copies off for him at the Paramount in Times Square. The weird thing is I'm pretty sure I ran into him on the street, but he was all bundled up with hat and scarf and sunglasses because it was colder than fuck. Teddy told me Mick liked to wander around when he pulled into a city, especially NYC.101Walterton wrote: ↑08 Jan 2020, 3:10pmI read the essays initially online back in the day was it the CCS website? Can you just give us a quick backstory / timeline as to how the book came about.
Anyhow, in doing the zine I met a Clash tape trader named Jeff Dove, who had a very early Clash website, The Clash Zone. He wanted to put a page of my stuff on his site and so we did. I did the book cover illustration for that page.
Jeff kind of lost interest in The Clash Zone so I put it all up on my AOL site. When Joe came back around in '99, I updated pretty much everyday and it was all quite raucous and jolly good fun.
Then Joe passed on, sadly. So the following year I put everything together, wrote some new material, did some new artwork and published it on-demand through this really crap mom-and-pop shop in Michigan. But it was all a blast. The book is now totally out of print and was listing for a thousand bucks at one point on Ebay and Amazon. But apparently there aren't any copies for sale anywhere.
But a Scottish chap at a big glossy mag in the UK bought it and hired me on to do some articles for his mag, out of which came the big Clash II thing where I spent 300 dollars interviewing Pete Howard on the phone because I forgot to do that 10-10-220 thing before I dialed. Whatever, it was a blast talking to Pete. And becoming friendly with Nick got me those 1983 demos that Inder and I did those ersatz single releases for, which was good fun too.
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I'm keeping mine, I enjoy it too much. Chris also very generously drew an illustration for my crappy Paul Simonon Geocities site way back. Chris, do you still have that drawing, by chance? I lost it during the death of Geocities and over the course of transitioning computers since the late 90s.
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I'm a few pages in and I'm reading about a Paul Simonon solo album recorded for Stiff that was never released (!). Never heard this mentioned anywhere else, is there a story behind this?
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Now why would I want your autograph?
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I'm on to the section about Rat Patrol From Fort Bragg and Chris mentions he doesn't think the version we all know was Mick's final mix. That it was a "work in progress" copy. I've always thought this too due to the sloppy vocals (I'm thinking especially Ghetto Defendant and Know your Rights) and wondered if it was ever confirmed this was what Mick presented to the record company as the finished article? TeddyB?
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I missed this earlier.
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Thank you for linking.
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Is this the fanzine? https://www.ebay.com/itm/CLASH-CITY-SHO ... SwDyFeErtoIkarisOne wrote: ↑08 Jan 2020, 3:29pmYep. I'd done a bunch postings on AOL back in the Stone Age and assembled them into a fanzine in 1994, which I sold to fans through AOL. I did most of it after hours at work and really had a blast doing it. When Mick came to NYC for the Higher Power tour I called him when he appeared on WBAI and arranged to drop some copies off for him at the Paramount in Times Square. The weird thing is I'm pretty sure I ran into him on the street, but he was all bundled up with hat and scarf and sunglasses because it was colder than fuck. Teddy told me Mick liked to wander around when he pulled into a city, especially NYC.101Walterton wrote: ↑08 Jan 2020, 3:10pmI read the essays initially online back in the day was it the CCS website? Can you just give us a quick backstory / timeline as to how the book came about.
Anyhow, in doing the zine I met a Clash tape trader named Jeff Dove, who had a very early Clash website, The Clash Zone. He wanted to put a page of my stuff on his site and so we did. I did the book cover illustration for that page.
Jeff kind of lost interest in The Clash Zone so I put it all up on my AOL site. When Joe came back around in '99, I updated pretty much everyday and it was all quite raucous and jolly good fun.
Then Joe passed on, sadly. So the following year I put everything together, wrote some new material, did some new artwork and published it on-demand through this really crap mom-and-pop shop in Michigan. But it was all a blast. The book is now totally out of print and was listing for a thousand bucks at one point on Ebay and Amazon. But apparently there aren't any copies for sale anywhere.
But a Scottish chap at a big glossy mag in the UK bought it and hired me on to do some articles for his mag, out of which came the big Clash II thing where I spent 300 dollars interviewing Pete Howard on the phone because I forgot to do that 10-10-220 thing before I dialed. Whatever, it was a blast talking to Pete. And becoming friendly with Nick got me those 1983 demos that Inder and I did those ersatz single releases for, which was good fun too.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.