Yep that "Judgement Day" backing vocal is Mick.River wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 6:34amWith Tymon just brought up, something I've been curious about recently. Who does the high backing vocals on "The Sound of the Sinnners" ? During the choruses, there's the vocal going along with Joe that certainly doesn't sound like Mick to my ears at least. I've at this point guessed it's either some studio musician who didn't get the credit, or it's Tymon's voice. I've been more inclined to think it's Tymon because it seems to fit a bit more to how he sings.
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I think River means the vocal harmony on the chorus, "after all this time etc", I'm sure I once read it was Topper.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 6:51amYep that "Judgement Day" backing vocal is Mick.River wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 6:34amWith Tymon just brought up, something I've been curious about recently. Who does the high backing vocals on "The Sound of the Sinnners" ? During the choruses, there's the vocal going along with Joe that certainly doesn't sound like Mick to my ears at least. I've at this point guessed it's either some studio musician who didn't get the credit, or it's Tymon's voice. I've been more inclined to think it's Tymon because it seems to fit a bit more to how he sings.
And I thought the "judgement day" bits were Den Hegarty from Darts? Mick may also have backed those bits up as they are harmonised, but the very low part sounds too deep for Mick's tenor voice.
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I posed this question years ago and I think Rattie confirmed it but I think it was solely based on his ears not any kind of interview or more definitive source. That being said, it sounds more like Topper than Tymon to me with the caveat that my ears are pretty bad at picking out harmonies.Heston wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 8:20amI think River means the vocal harmony on the chorus, "after all this time etc", I'm sure I once read it was Topper.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 6:51amYep that "Judgement Day" backing vocal is Mick.River wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 6:34amWith Tymon just brought up, something I've been curious about recently. Who does the high backing vocals on "The Sound of the Sinnners" ? During the choruses, there's the vocal going along with Joe that certainly doesn't sound like Mick to my ears at least. I've at this point guessed it's either some studio musician who didn't get the credit, or it's Tymon's voice. I've been more inclined to think it's Tymon because it seems to fit a bit more to how he sings.
And I thought the "judgement day" bits were Den Hegarty from Darts? Mick may also have backed those bits up as they are harmonised, but the very low part sounds too deep for Mick's tenor voice.
The Hegarty bit also makes sense since he does the spoken word outro and I believe he did the low harmony on the Israelites cover too.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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Ahh yep gotcha.. the harmonised "judgement day" do indeed sound like Mick and Den to my ears. And those backing vocals on the "after all this time" do indeed sound like Topper. It's not Tymon as there is no wavering in the vocal.Heston wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 8:20amI think River means the vocal harmony on the chorus, "after all this time etc", I'm sure I once read it was Topper.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 6:51amYep that "Judgement Day" backing vocal is Mick.River wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 6:34amWith Tymon just brought up, something I've been curious about recently. Who does the high backing vocals on "The Sound of the Sinnners" ? During the choruses, there's the vocal going along with Joe that certainly doesn't sound like Mick to my ears at least. I've at this point guessed it's either some studio musician who didn't get the credit, or it's Tymon's voice. I've been more inclined to think it's Tymon because it seems to fit a bit more to how he sings.
And I thought the "judgement day" bits were Den Hegarty from Darts? Mick may also have backed those bits up as they are harmonised, but the very low part sounds too deep for Mick's tenor voice.
Here's a quick remix where you can hear those high vocals more clearly.
https://mega.nz/file/wlomVLKS#yiqM2HAih ... Kj3FIFJWo0
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
"Without the common people you're nothing"
Nos Sumus Una Familia
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Nice. And yeah, that still sounds like Topper. Particularly the lack of vibrato as you noted.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 9:57amAhh yep gotcha.. the harmonised "judgement day" do indeed sound like Mick and Den to my ears. And those backing vocals on the "after all this time" do indeed sound like Topper. It's not Tymon as there is no wavering in the vocal.Heston wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 8:20amI think River means the vocal harmony on the chorus, "after all this time etc", I'm sure I once read it was Topper.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 6:51amYep that "Judgement Day" backing vocal is Mick.River wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 6:34amWith Tymon just brought up, something I've been curious about recently. Who does the high backing vocals on "The Sound of the Sinnners" ? During the choruses, there's the vocal going along with Joe that certainly doesn't sound like Mick to my ears at least. I've at this point guessed it's either some studio musician who didn't get the credit, or it's Tymon's voice. I've been more inclined to think it's Tymon because it seems to fit a bit more to how he sings.
And I thought the "judgement day" bits were Den Hegarty from Darts? Mick may also have backed those bits up as they are harmonised, but the very low part sounds too deep for Mick's tenor voice.
Here's a quick remix where you can hear those high vocals more clearly.
https://mega.nz/file/wlomVLKS#yiqM2HAih ... Kj3FIFJWo0
I had to let the song keep going because that second verse is one of my favorite Joe moments where his vocal just keeps getting more unhinged as the verse progresses.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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Yeah that's terrific.matedog wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 1:20pmNice. And yeah, that still sounds like Topper. Particularly the lack of vibrato as you noted.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 9:57amAhh yep gotcha.. the harmonised "judgement day" do indeed sound like Mick and Den to my ears. And those backing vocals on the "after all this time" do indeed sound like Topper. It's not Tymon as there is no wavering in the vocal.Heston wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 8:20amI think River means the vocal harmony on the chorus, "after all this time etc", I'm sure I once read it was Topper.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 6:51amYep that "Judgement Day" backing vocal is Mick.River wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 6:34amWith Tymon just brought up, something I've been curious about recently. Who does the high backing vocals on "The Sound of the Sinnners" ? During the choruses, there's the vocal going along with Joe that certainly doesn't sound like Mick to my ears at least. I've at this point guessed it's either some studio musician who didn't get the credit, or it's Tymon's voice. I've been more inclined to think it's Tymon because it seems to fit a bit more to how he sings.
And I thought the "judgement day" bits were Den Hegarty from Darts? Mick may also have backed those bits up as they are harmonised, but the very low part sounds too deep for Mick's tenor voice.
Here's a quick remix where you can hear those high vocals more clearly.
https://mega.nz/file/wlomVLKS#yiqM2HAih ... Kj3FIFJWo0
I had to let the song keep going because that second verse is one of my favorite Joe moments where his vocal just keeps getting more unhinged as the verse progresses.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
"Without the common people you're nothing"
Nos Sumus Una Familia
Re: The Clash Studio Logs/Sessionography
All very interesting! I had read at the beginning of the thread that Topper was singing on it, but I just assumed it was the "judgement day" stuff. Topper's not too bad a singer in all honesty, he's clearly got a decent bit of range singing that high above Joe. And agreed on Joe's delivery, love his voice cracking on "raining from the sky"Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 1:44pmYeah that's terrific.matedog wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 1:20pmNice. And yeah, that still sounds like Topper. Particularly the lack of vibrato as you noted.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 9:57amAhh yep gotcha.. the harmonised "judgement day" do indeed sound like Mick and Den to my ears. And those backing vocals on the "after all this time" do indeed sound like Topper. It's not Tymon as there is no wavering in the vocal.Heston wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 8:20amI think River means the vocal harmony on the chorus, "after all this time etc", I'm sure I once read it was Topper.
And I thought the "judgement day" bits were Den Hegarty from Darts? Mick may also have backed those bits up as they are harmonised, but the very low part sounds too deep for Mick's tenor voice.
Here's a quick remix where you can hear those high vocals more clearly.
https://mega.nz/file/wlomVLKS#yiqM2HAih ... Kj3FIFJWo0
I had to let the song keep going because that second verse is one of my favorite Joe moments where his vocal just keeps getting more unhinged as the verse progresses.
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I've said it on here before, Topper was probably technically the best singer in the band. But Joe and Mick's voices just oozed much more personality and passion.River wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 1:55pmAll very interesting! I had read at the beginning of the thread that Topper was singing on it, but I just assumed it was the "judgement day" stuff. Topper's not too bad a singer in all honesty, he's clearly got a decent bit of range singing that high above Joe. And agreed on Joe's delivery, love his voice cracking on "raining from the sky"Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 1:44pmYeah that's terrific.matedog wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 1:20pmNice. And yeah, that still sounds like Topper. Particularly the lack of vibrato as you noted.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 9:57amAhh yep gotcha.. the harmonised "judgement day" do indeed sound like Mick and Den to my ears. And those backing vocals on the "after all this time" do indeed sound like Topper. It's not Tymon as there is no wavering in the vocal.Heston wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 8:20am
I think River means the vocal harmony on the chorus, "after all this time etc", I'm sure I once read it was Topper.
And I thought the "judgement day" bits were Den Hegarty from Darts? Mick may also have backed those bits up as they are harmonised, but the very low part sounds too deep for Mick's tenor voice.
Here's a quick remix where you can hear those high vocals more clearly.
https://mega.nz/file/wlomVLKS#yiqM2HAih ... Kj3FIFJWo0
I had to let the song keep going because that second verse is one of my favorite Joe moments where his vocal just keeps getting more unhinged as the verse progresses.
And yes, he had decent range. He goes pretty high on the live version of Ivan where they added a key change to the chorus that wasn't on the record.
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Love the key change they'd do for live Ivan. I've always had a soft spot for the song, and that key change is the best thing they added to it. Makes it way more interesting.Heston wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 2:32pmI've said it on here before, Topper was probably technically the best singer in the band. But Joe and Mick's voices just oozed much more personality and passion.River wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 1:55pmAll very interesting! I had read at the beginning of the thread that Topper was singing on it, but I just assumed it was the "judgement day" stuff. Topper's not too bad a singer in all honesty, he's clearly got a decent bit of range singing that high above Joe. And agreed on Joe's delivery, love his voice cracking on "raining from the sky"Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 1:44pmYeah that's terrific.matedog wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 1:20pmNice. And yeah, that still sounds like Topper. Particularly the lack of vibrato as you noted.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 9:57am
Ahh yep gotcha.. the harmonised "judgement day" do indeed sound like Mick and Den to my ears. And those backing vocals on the "after all this time" do indeed sound like Topper. It's not Tymon as there is no wavering in the vocal.
Here's a quick remix where you can hear those high vocals more clearly.
https://mega.nz/file/wlomVLKS#yiqM2HAih ... Kj3FIFJWo0
I had to let the song keep going because that second verse is one of my favorite Joe moments where his vocal just keeps getting more unhinged as the verse progresses.
And yes, he had decent range. He goes pretty high on the live version of Ivan where they added a key change to the chorus that wasn't on the record.
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Agreed. The Amsterdam version rocks hard.River wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 4:55pmLove the key change they'd do for live Ivan. I've always had a soft spot for the song, and that key change is the best thing they added to it. Makes it way more interesting.Heston wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 2:32pmI've said it on here before, Topper was probably technically the best singer in the band. But Joe and Mick's voices just oozed much more personality and passion.River wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 1:55pmAll very interesting! I had read at the beginning of the thread that Topper was singing on it, but I just assumed it was the "judgement day" stuff. Topper's not too bad a singer in all honesty, he's clearly got a decent bit of range singing that high above Joe. And agreed on Joe's delivery, love his voice cracking on "raining from the sky"
And yes, he had decent range. He goes pretty high on the live version of Ivan where they added a key change to the chorus that wasn't on the record.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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Thanks for this! I always wondered who was doing backing on this song since it didn’t really sound like Mick to me so I’ll have to listen later to see if I can hear him in there.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 9:57amAhh yep gotcha.. the harmonised "judgement day" do indeed sound like Mick and Den to my ears. And those backing vocals on the "after all this time" do indeed sound like Topper. It's not Tymon as there is no wavering in the vocal.Heston wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 8:20amI think River means the vocal harmony on the chorus, "after all this time etc", I'm sure I once read it was Topper.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 6:51amYep that "Judgement Day" backing vocal is Mick.River wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 6:34amWith Tymon just brought up, something I've been curious about recently. Who does the high backing vocals on "The Sound of the Sinnners" ? During the choruses, there's the vocal going along with Joe that certainly doesn't sound like Mick to my ears at least. I've at this point guessed it's either some studio musician who didn't get the credit, or it's Tymon's voice. I've been more inclined to think it's Tymon because it seems to fit a bit more to how he sings.
And I thought the "judgement day" bits were Den Hegarty from Darts? Mick may also have backed those bits up as they are harmonised, but the very low part sounds too deep for Mick's tenor voice.
Here's a quick remix where you can hear those high vocals more clearly.
https://mega.nz/file/wlomVLKS#yiqM2HAih ... Kj3FIFJWo0
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My copy arrived today. Just skimmed some of the Combat Rock stuff and it looks like it fills in some of the blanks nicely. No contradictions yet, but I'm sure we'll find some.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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I may splash out on this. Please give a review when finished.
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Still waiting on mine, should be here by next week. I'm almost through reading "Move Up Starsky", so the timing will be good.
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I added these to the Lee Perry session with the caveat of "unreleased." I also added Gary Barnacle to City of the Dead. No sure how I missed that. Updating as I go through the book.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 Jan 2022, 5:44pmThe book states an early take of "Pressure Drop" "The Prisoner" and an embryonic "(White Man) in Hammersmith Palais" were also recorded at the two sessions with Lee "Scratch" Perry in August '77.
This adds more mystery. Maybe "Pressure Drop" and "The Prisoner" were recorded with Lee Perry but it seems odd that we have never heard the dub mix of "Complete Control" from the same session. Surely the band kept a copy of the mix. Maybe it was these two versions that were reworked later at the Marquee sessions for the B-sides.
The book states that Lee Perry completed the dub mix. The band are said to have respected the mix but wanted a heavier punk sound for the track. So Mick and Mickey remixed it for the single release.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.