1976 Show - October 27th at Barbarella's Birmingham
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As our good friend JohnS said earlier here is Johnny Thunders with the same Gretsch.
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Yep. Johnny was using that Gretch since the earliest days of the Heartbreakers with Richard Hell. I think he got it from Syl Sylvain (who also gave Steve Jones his white Les Paul Custom via Malcolm).Marky Dread wrote: ↑01 Jun 2020, 2:58pmAs our good friend JohnS said earlier here is Johnny Thunders with the same Gretsch.
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Yeah it was Syl's guitar that Jones used but Syl didn't exactly have a choice in Steve getting it. Malcolm took it with him as Syl was supposed to follow him to London from New York. So here's Jones stealing Dolls riffs played on a Dolls guitar and then coping all of Thunders stage moves. The Pistols owe the Dolls a huge debt apart from Rotten.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑01 Jun 2020, 5:14pmYep. Johnny was using that Gretch since the earliest days of the Heartbreakers with Richard Hell. I think he got it from Syl Sylvain (who also gave Steve Jones his white Les Paul Custom via Malcolm).Marky Dread wrote: ↑01 Jun 2020, 2:58pmAs our good friend JohnS said earlier here is Johnny Thunders with the same Gretsch.
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Here's a weird one years ago I read a story about a guy who worked in a guitar shop and claimed Steve Jones had taken that white gibson in for repair. He says Steve was really protective about the guitar and didnt want to leave it overnight and wanted to be there if the guitar was to be worked upon. The guy swore blind that inside the guitar was an electronic device he had never before seen that enabled Steve to play so well. Bizarre or what?
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Re: 1976 Show - October 27th at Barbarella's Birmingham
Fantastic picture research Marky - I've not seen those pics of Joe in the 'Social Security' shirt & jacket before, just the '1977' shirt. Mind you he'd need a change of clothes after tearing through a set in a sweaty club.Marky Dread wrote: ↑31 May 2020, 11:04amNot too many great live pics from that era that i haven't already used. Remember this is the second time I remastered this. At only a couple of months difference it will have to do. Plus it's a great pic. Should add that Joe used the white gretsch falcon more than once. Well twice but two shows same day at the Roxy.
Interesting tale about Steve Jones's mystery gizmo in his guitar too. I'm sure he must have had at least one cherished guitar over the years.
Mind you I read somewhere that he also claims to have sold his classic Pistols Les Paul, the one with the girly pin-up stickers on, to some rich collector... and sold it again... and sold it again
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Re: 1976 Show - October 27th at Barbarella's Birmingham
Yeah when I saw the Pistols in '96 at Finsbury Park and other dates on that "Filtby Lucre" tour he had a Japanese guitar he became fond of.JohnS wrote: ↑01 Jun 2020, 7:28pmFantastic picture research Marky - I've not seen those pics of Joe in the 'Social Security' shirt & jacket before, just the '1977' shirt. Mind you he'd need a change of clothes after tearing through a set in a sweaty club.Marky Dread wrote: ↑31 May 2020, 11:04amNot too many great live pics from that era that i haven't already used. Remember this is the second time I remastered this. At only a couple of months difference it will have to do. Plus it's a great pic. Should add that Joe used the white gretsch falcon more than once. Well twice but two shows same day at the Roxy.
Interesting tale about Steve Jones's mystery gizmo in his guitar too. I'm sure he must have had at least one cherished guitar over the years.
Mind you I read somewhere that he also claims to have sold his classic Pistols Les Paul, the one with the girly pin-up stickers on, to some rich collector... and sold it again... and sold it again
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I think Steve sold one of those "girly picture" Les Pauls to Gerry Harrington, who knew it wasn't the original one. They were friends. Also, I once played a gig with Chequered Past. Steve played a regular issue Les Paul, no pedals, and set his guitar volume, tone knobs, and the Marshall amp dials all to five. He sounded just like Steve Jones.
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Nice story Teddy. Yeah I've always wondered how many of those "cowboy girl" Gibson's Steve had. So Steve's technique is just a Marshal set to 5 and the volume/tone up full?TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑02 Jun 2020, 12:04amI think Steve sold one of those "girly picture" Les Pauls to Gerry Harrington, who knew it wasn't the original one. They were friends. Also, I once played a gig with Chequered Past. Steve played a regular issue Les Paul, no pedals, and set his guitar volume, tone knobs, and the Marshall amp dials all to five. He sounded just like Steve Jones.
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Yes. The guitar full up and the Marshall volume, pre-amp and tone all set to five.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Jun 2020, 6:14amNice story Teddy. Yeah I've always wondered how many of those "cowboy girl" Gibson's Steve had. So Steve's technique is just a Marshal set to 5 and the volume/tone up full?TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑02 Jun 2020, 12:04amI think Steve sold one of those "girly picture" Les Pauls to Gerry Harrington, who knew it wasn't the original one. They were friends. Also, I once played a gig with Chequered Past. Steve played a regular issue Les Paul, no pedals, and set his guitar volume, tone knobs, and the Marshall amp dials all to five. He sounded just like Steve Jones.
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Sounds so simple just like Steve.TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑02 Jun 2020, 6:58pmYes. The guitar full up and the Marshall volume, pre-amp and tone all set to five.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Jun 2020, 6:14amNice story Teddy. Yeah I've always wondered how many of those "cowboy girl" Gibson's Steve had. So Steve's technique is just a Marshal set to 5 and the volume/tone up full?TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑02 Jun 2020, 12:04amI think Steve sold one of those "girly picture" Les Pauls to Gerry Harrington, who knew it wasn't the original one. They were friends. Also, I once played a gig with Chequered Past. Steve played a regular issue Les Paul, no pedals, and set his guitar volume, tone knobs, and the Marshall amp dials all to five. He sounded just like Steve Jones.
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Re: 1976 Show - October 27th at Barbarella's Birmingham
https://youtu.be/GgcNBFwrwCo
There is also rehearsal footage with Joe using the White Falcon guitar, starting at 33:00
I always wondered how he got that guitar as it was (and is) a very expensive one.
There is also rehearsal footage with Joe using the White Falcon guitar, starting at 33:00
I always wondered how he got that guitar as it was (and is) a very expensive one.
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I don’t know how Joe got it, but I do know that at one point around that time Johnny sold his for drug money. I’m sure it wasn’t Joe he sold it to.
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Sadly it won't play here in the UK. Blocked by channel 4 but I know the footage anyway. Thanks for the reminder though CJ.chocolatejesus wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020, 2:19pmhttps://youtu.be/GgcNBFwrwCo
There is also rehearsal footage with Joe using the White Falcon guitar, starting at 33:00
I always wondered how he got that guitar as it was (and is) a very expensive one.
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Re: 1976 Show - October 27th at Barbarella's Birmingham
the link is just The future is unwritten (dubbed in french...) that someone uploaded on Youtube.
Thanks for the info TeddyB.
This guitar obviously has quite an interesting history. Someone should do a hunt and make a documentary about it. They did it with Joes Dodge didnt they?
Thanks for the info TeddyB.
This guitar obviously has quite an interesting history. Someone should do a hunt and make a documentary about it. They did it with Joes Dodge didnt they?
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Found another pic of Joe with the White Falcon.
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