Leaving out This Is England, what is your favourite song on CTC?

[matedog]

I chose "Are You Red...y" but that's because you said "favorite," as opposed to best. I think North and South is a better song overall, but I like Red...y more.

Wow, I didn't know I had an Are You Red...y ally. The consensus on the song is usually very bad.

I’m also an Are You Red...Y ally. I’ve always liked the demo and while the finished product leaves a bit to be desired...still catchy. That said, the programmed drums are fucking terrible.

The programmed dums are crap the whole way through. But the only track where they do kind of work is "Are You Red..Y". That said the demo is miles better and live it was decent.

Both Three Card and P2W do this baffling thing where the drums don't change at the beginning of the chorus, but one or two bars in instead. P2W continues the chorus programming for that same length after the chorus which sorta makes sense as if they messed up and shifted the programming but Three Card is basically like an 8-bar chorus, but the "chorus drum part" is only played on bars 2 through 8. It's so weird.

[matedog]

Also the North and South drum part in the chorus is so fucking bad. And yeah, Are You Red...Y is the only thing that approaches competency. I like the hits during the Waaaaaaar part with the 16th note synth part descending at the end.

[Low Down Low]

Denied it for decades but am now convinced ctc didnt have to be a rubbish album. Listening to the demos for first time in years a while back, i was struck by how good a track National Powder was and began to reevaluate. Always loved the Are You Redy demo, it never needed any bells and whistles (or whatever shit bernie could get his hands on) on top.

[Marky Dread]

Denied it for decades but am now convinced ctc didnt have to be a rubbish album. Listening to the demos for first time in years a while back, i was struck by how good a track National Powder was and began to reevaluate. Always loved the Are You Redy demo, it never needed any bells and whistles (or whatever shit bernie could get his hands on) on top.

Yeah I feel the same some decent tunes that didn't make the album. I still think it would be the least of The Clash albums but it needn't have been so rubbish.

[matedog]

I chose "Are You Red...y" but that's because you said "favorite," as opposed to best. I think North and South is a better song overall, but I like Red...y more.

Wow, I didn't know I had an Are You Red...y ally. The consensus on the song is usually very bad.

I’m also an Are You Red...Y ally. I’ve always liked the demo and while the finished product leaves a bit to be desired...still catchy. That said, the programmed drums are fucking terrible.

The programmed dums are crap the whole way through. But the only track where they do kind of work is "Are You Red..Y". That said the demo is miles better and live it was decent.

Yeah. I only really like the programmed drums on Red...y. I really love the Dope version.

The demo is good, but I think the Dope version is a really well developed version of the demo. Lots of interesting stuff musically that accentuates the tune and the lyric.

[Wolter]

Wow, I didn't know I had an Are You Red...y ally. The consensus on the song is usually very bad.

I’m also an Are You Red...Y ally. I’ve always liked the demo and while the finished product leaves a bit to be desired...still catchy. That said, the programmed drums are fucking terrible.

The programmed dums are crap the whole way through. But the only track where they do kind of work is "Are You Red..Y". That said the demo is miles better and live it was decent.

Yeah. I only really like the programmed drums on Red...y. I really love the Dope version.

The demo is good, but I think the Dope version is a really well developed version of the demo. Lots of interesting stuff musically that accentuates the tune and the lyric.

God damn it, H— wait, sorry. Force of habit. Yeah.

[Low Down Low]

Denied it for decades but am now convinced ctc didnt have to be a rubbish album. Listening to the demos for first time in years a while back, i was struck by how good a track National Powder was and began to reevaluate. Always loved the Are You Redy demo, it never needed any bells and whistles (or whatever shit bernie could get his hands on) on top.

Yeah I feel the same some decent tunes that didn't make the album. I still think it would be the least of The Clash albums but it needn't have been so rubbish.

Definitely.

[Heston]

The tunes were mostly there. Strummer sounded great. What surrounded it was mostly terrible.

[Wolter]

The tunes were mostly there. Strummer sounded great. What surrounded it was mostly terrible.

I genuinely cannot think of an album that was more botched in the studio. Was it the Clash proper? Not really. Was it a group of people who were capable of playing well performing songs that deserved better? Yes.

[Low Down Low]

Will never be able to comprehend what strand of deranged idiocy must have been at play when considering the tracklist for the album and deciding that Pouring Rain somehow didnt fit the bill. It's up there among the stupidest and most irrational decisions taken in the course of the bands history for me, and they're were a few of them!

[Dr. Medulla]

Will never be able to comprehend what strand of deranged idiocy must have been at play when considering the tracklist for the album and deciding that Pouring Rain somehow didnt fit the bill. It's up there among the stupidest and most irrational decisions taken in the course of the bands history for me, and they're were a few of them!

Bernie couldn't figure out how to futurize and radicalize it enough?

[Low Down Low]

Will never be able to comprehend what strand of deranged idiocy must have been at play when considering the tracklist for the album and deciding that Pouring Rain somehow didnt fit the bill. It's up there among the stupidest and most irrational decisions taken in the course of the bands history for me, and they're were a few of them!

Bernie couldn't figure out how to futurize and radicalize it enough?

That might explain it but doesn't help me to comprehend it. Also the notion of Joe pretty much abdicating any sense of responsibility for it, still find that painful to think about. Actually prefer not to pretty much.

[Dr. Medulla]

Will never be able to comprehend what strand of deranged idiocy must have been at play when considering the tracklist for the album and deciding that Pouring Rain somehow didnt fit the bill. It's up there among the stupidest and most irrational decisions taken in the course of the bands history for me, and they're were a few of them!

Bernie couldn't figure out how to futurize and radicalize it enough?

That might explain it but doesn't help me to comprehend it. Also the notion of Joe pretty much abdicating any sense of responsibility for it, still find that painful to think about. Actually prefer not to pretty much.

Knowing that Joe was seriously messed up and being manipulated by an evil fucker of a manager makes it easier for me. Knowing that this wasn't a sincere effort at the best he could do post-Mick excises the crime. EW, on the other hand …

[Low Down Low]

Will never be able to comprehend what strand of deranged idiocy must have been at play when considering the tracklist for the album and deciding that Pouring Rain somehow didnt fit the bill. It's up there among the stupidest and most irrational decisions taken in the course of the bands history for me, and they're were a few of them!

Bernie couldn't figure out how to futurize and radicalize it enough?

That might explain it but doesn't help me to comprehend it. Also the notion of Joe pretty much abdicating any sense of responsibility for it, still find that painful to think about. Actually prefer not to pretty much.

Knowing that Joe was seriously messed up and being manipulated by an evil fucker of a manager makes it easier for me. Knowing that this wasn't a sincere effort at the best he could do post-Mick excises the crime. EW, on the other hand …

Yeah, i guess he did try his heart out on EW and that was best he could do. Short of confidence, doubting himself at that point i feel. That said, talking of irrational idiocy or no, i like EW, flaws and all. Always did, 5-6 tracks I've no bother standing over and i dont consider that a bad haul for any album. I get that might be minority opinion, though.

[Dr. Medulla]

Will never be able to comprehend what strand of deranged idiocy must have been at play when considering the tracklist for the album and deciding that Pouring Rain somehow didnt fit the bill. It's up there among the stupidest and most irrational decisions taken in the course of the bands history for me, and they're were a few of them!

Bernie couldn't figure out how to futurize and radicalize it enough?

That might explain it but doesn't help me to comprehend it. Also the notion of Joe pretty much abdicating any sense of responsibility for it, still find that painful to think about. Actually prefer not to pretty much.

Knowing that Joe was seriously messed up and being manipulated by an evil fucker of a manager makes it easier for me. Knowing that this wasn't a sincere effort at the best he could do post-Mick excises the crime. EW, on the other hand …

Yeah, i guess he did try his heart out on EW and that was best he could do. Short of confidence, doubting himself at that point i feel. That said, talking of irrational idiocy or no, i like EW, flaws and all. Always did, 5-6 tracks I've no bother standing over and i dont consider that a bad haul for any album. I get that might be minority opinion, though.