As much as I would love to see a two disc set with all the variants etc. It ain't gonna happen.southsideryan wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 12:53pmSuch a shame. Now is as good a time as anyMarky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 12:26pmI did a remaster of the best sounding bootlegs a couple of years ago. But the "tape" has not been shared.
My semi-annual plea for Rat Patrol, part 27
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And meanwhile the Jam, the Beatles, The Who and just about every other classic band empty their vaults for the fans. How the Clash haven't had deluxe versions of all their albums is quite frustrating.
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The problem is other than the Rat Patrol mixes there isn't a lot else that's not been released. I've always found it odd that there were not more demos and alt. takes but maybe they didn't do too much demoing because they had rehearsal rehearsals. Then straight into the studio to record.
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I'm convinced there will still be other odds and sods lying around in the vaults. I'm pretty sure Mick will have early reference mixes etc. He is a total hoarder. And there is always the option of alternate and instrumental mixes as XTC have been doing (assuming the multitracks can be found). And then the obvious round up of b-sides etc.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 1:54pmThe problem is other than the Rat Patrol mixes there isn't a lot else that's not been released. I've always found it odd that there were not more demos and alt. takes but maybe they didn't do too much demoing because they had rehearsal rehearsals. Then straight into the studio to record.
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Pointless adding the B-sides Super Black Market Clash and Sound System has those covered.Heston wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 3:00pmI'm convinced there will still be other odds and sods lying around in the vaults. I'm pretty sure Mick will have early reference mixes etc. He is a total hoarder. And there is always the option of alternate and instrumental mixes as XTC have been doing (assuming the multitracks can be found). And then the obvious round up of b-sides etc.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 1:54pmThe problem is other than the Rat Patrol mixes there isn't a lot else that's not been released. I've always found it odd that there were not more demos and alt. takes but maybe they didn't do too much demoing because they had rehearsal rehearsals. Then straight into the studio to record.
Yeah I like the idea of instrumentals. It was great getting the rock band stems of LC and the other stray tracks. Maybe the answer would be an Odds and Sods style comp.
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I still think a deluxe edition would have to round up non-album singles and b-sides of the era.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 3:17pmPointless adding the B-sides Super Black Market Clash and Sound System has those covered.Heston wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 3:00pmI'm convinced there will still be other odds and sods lying around in the vaults. I'm pretty sure Mick will have early reference mixes etc. He is a total hoarder. And there is always the option of alternate and instrumental mixes as XTC have been doing (assuming the multitracks can be found). And then the obvious round up of b-sides etc.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 1:54pmThe problem is other than the Rat Patrol mixes there isn't a lot else that's not been released. I've always found it odd that there were not more demos and alt. takes but maybe they didn't do too much demoing because they had rehearsal rehearsals. Then straight into the studio to record.
Yeah I like the idea of instrumentals. It was great getting the rock band stems of LC and the other stray tracks. Maybe the answer would be an Odds and Sods style comp.
Still a mystery what happened to the Sandinista deluxe.
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Wasn't it decided there were only two unreleased S! tracks in the vault.Heston wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 4:09pmI still think a deluxe edition would have to round up non-album singles and b-sides of the era.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 3:17pmPointless adding the B-sides Super Black Market Clash and Sound System has those covered.Heston wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 3:00pmI'm convinced there will still be other odds and sods lying around in the vaults. I'm pretty sure Mick will have early reference mixes etc. He is a total hoarder. And there is always the option of alternate and instrumental mixes as XTC have been doing (assuming the multitracks can be found). And then the obvious round up of b-sides etc.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 1:54pmThe problem is other than the Rat Patrol mixes there isn't a lot else that's not been released. I've always found it odd that there were not more demos and alt. takes but maybe they didn't do too much demoing because they had rehearsal rehearsals. Then straight into the studio to record.
Yeah I like the idea of instrumentals. It was great getting the rock band stems of LC and the other stray tracks. Maybe the answer would be an Odds and Sods style comp.
Still a mystery what happened to the Sandinista deluxe.
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I’m sure I have a Snotty Snail version in the vaults, they usually do a good job can dig it out if no one has it to hand.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 12:26pmI did a remaster of the best sounding bootlegs a couple of years ago. But the "tape" has not been shared.
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I wouldn't ever say no to another version of Rat Patrol.101Walterton wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 5:39pmI’m sure I have a Snotty Snail version in the vaults, they usually do a good job can dig it out if no one has it to hand.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 12:26pmI did a remaster of the best sounding bootlegs a couple of years ago. But the "tape" has not been shared.
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If you don't have my version already Kory then grab it otherwise it's pointless.Kory wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 5:43pmI wouldn't ever say no to another version of Rat Patrol.101Walterton wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 5:39pmI’m sure I have a Snotty Snail version in the vaults, they usually do a good job can dig it out if no one has it to hand.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 12:26pmI did a remaster of the best sounding bootlegs a couple of years ago. But the "tape" has not been shared.
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Hello,Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 6:17pmIf you don't have my version already Kory then grab it otherwise it's pointless.Kory wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 5:43pmI wouldn't ever say no to another version of Rat Patrol.101Walterton wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 5:39pmI’m sure I have a Snotty Snail version in the vaults, they usually do a good job can dig it out if no one has it to hand.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 12:26pmI did a remaster of the best sounding bootlegs a couple of years ago. But the "tape" has not been shared.
I found my folder of Marky's take. It was filed under Hell W10. I'm thinking this is as definitive as it gets! I can share if anyone needs
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I think Mick has some regrets about being pushed by Sony to include unreleased stuff on Sound System. Releasing Rat Patrol would be a bridge too far. I’d dig it though.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 9:35amThis really doesn't make a great deal of sense as Sound System saw the release of a couple of tracks from Mick's tape and Joe couldn't of given approval now could he.Kory wrote: ↑25 Jun 2020, 4:04pmLIkely both.chocolatejesus wrote: ↑25 Jun 2020, 12:24pmDid Joe reject the Mix because he didnt like it or was it bernies Input?
In any case, the OP could have been written by me. I'm all for this, but I know Mick feels icky about releasing it without Joe's approval.
Some of the stuff on the tape doesn't clean up that well. Like the unnecessary bongo intro to RtC also Car Jamming has a glitch in it. Inoculated City does sound great though and I wished it had been included on the SS box.
I pretty much prefer all of Mick's original mixes.
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I get Mick’s stand point and it is admiral but as this stuff is out there in boots one way or the other I’d have thought it would be better to put it all out officially and maybe give everyone a bit of an earner in the process including Joe’s estate.TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 10:27pmI think Mick has some regrets about being pushed by Sony to include unreleased stuff on Sound System. Releasing Rat Patrol would be a bridge too far. I’d dig it though.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 9:35amThis really doesn't make a great deal of sense as Sound System saw the release of a couple of tracks from Mick's tape and Joe couldn't of given approval now could he.Kory wrote: ↑25 Jun 2020, 4:04pmLIkely both.chocolatejesus wrote: ↑25 Jun 2020, 12:24pmDid Joe reject the Mix because he didnt like it or was it bernies Input?
In any case, the OP could have been written by me. I'm all for this, but I know Mick feels icky about releasing it without Joe's approval.
Some of the stuff on the tape doesn't clean up that well. Like the unnecessary bongo intro to RtC also Car Jamming has a glitch in it. Inoculated City does sound great though and I wished it had been included on the SS box.
I pretty much prefer all of Mick's original mixes.
Re: My semi-annual plea for Rat Patrol, part 27
I can definitely believe there being some demos/unreleased songs in the vault somewhere from the Rat Patrol sessions.Heston wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 3:00pmI'm convinced there will still be other odds and sods lying around in the vaults. I'm pretty sure Mick will have early reference mixes etc. He is a total hoarder. And there is always the option of alternate and instrumental mixes as XTC have been doing (assuming the multitracks can be found). And then the obvious round up of b-sides etc.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 1:54pmThe problem is other than the Rat Patrol mixes there isn't a lot else that's not been released. I've always found it odd that there were not more demos and alt. takes but maybe they didn't do too much demoing because they had rehearsal rehearsals. Then straight into the studio to record.
Guitars and Men, Soul Mercenary, and Burning Bush are all listed as being album tracks at the time. This is definitely before January 82, as Straight to Hell isn't on here (no Sean Flynn either, but I could see that being Burning Bush possibly). There's also DMZ Dancing listed below, and then on the side a potential track featuring "Burrows" who I assume to be William Burroughs. So yeah, it's weird that theres 3, potentially 4 songs listed that we have never heard a thing about. There's gotta be something remaining that Sony or Mick has of it.
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I like the way in that pic that it says Ginsberk instead of Ginsberg.River wrote: ↑28 Jun 2020, 2:17amI can definitely believe there being some demos/unreleased songs in the vault somewhere from the Rat Patrol sessions.Heston wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 3:00pmI'm convinced there will still be other odds and sods lying around in the vaults. I'm pretty sure Mick will have early reference mixes etc. He is a total hoarder. And there is always the option of alternate and instrumental mixes as XTC have been doing (assuming the multitracks can be found). And then the obvious round up of b-sides etc.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 1:54pmThe problem is other than the Rat Patrol mixes there isn't a lot else that's not been released. I've always found it odd that there were not more demos and alt. takes but maybe they didn't do too much demoing because they had rehearsal rehearsals. Then straight into the studio to record.
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Guitars and Men, Soul Mercenary, and Burning Bush are all listed as being album tracks at the time. This is definitely before January 82, as Straight to Hell isn't on here (no Sean Flynn either, but I could see that being Burning Bush possibly). There's also DMZ Dancing listed below, and then on the side a potential track featuring "Burrows" who I assume to be William Burroughs. So yeah, it's weird that theres 3, potentially 4 songs listed that we have never heard a thing about. There's gotta be something remaining that Sony or Mick has of it.
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