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Did Bernie write the lyrics for the first album?

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No
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Hammy wrote:
17 Jul 2020, 3:16am
Did Bernie write the lyrics for the first album?
I think Bernie’s input into to lyrics was in the very early days when he gave ideas and suggested what the band write about.
But as Hes said no he didn’t write the lyrics.

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Heston wrote:
17 Jul 2020, 3:42am
No
They're so purely and obviously Strummer's style. Where he does deserve recognition is in the directing the band to write about stuff that matters.
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Silent Majority wrote:
17 Jul 2020, 11:17am
Heston wrote:
17 Jul 2020, 3:42am
No
They're so purely and obviously Strummer's style. Where he does deserve recognition is in the directing the band to write about stuff that matters.
Yeah. It never once would’ve occurred to me to think it was anyone else. Bernie basically just channeled Joe’s talent into a more fruitful direction. Which is no small achievement.
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You sure?

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Hammy wrote:
21 Jul 2020, 9:22am
You sure?
Yeah, why?
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
21 Jul 2020, 9:29am
Hammy wrote:
21 Jul 2020, 9:22am
You sure?
Yeah, why?
Because he’s a fucking idiot.
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You'd imagine after 40 years with so many interviews and articles and documentaries and books that some evidence would have been uncovered by now if such a claim ever had even the merest semblance of fact. The only guy i ever heard suggest it was Geldof and he always had a beef with the clash.

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Low Down Low wrote:
21 Jul 2020, 12:01pm
You'd imagine after 40 years with so many interviews and articles and documentaries and books that some evidence would have been uncovered by now if such a claim ever had even the merest semblance of fact. The only guy i ever heard suggest it was Geldof and he always had a beef with the clash.
Also Bernie has had a long history tenuously taking credit for a lot of things. If he had contributed a single word to Joe's lyrics, I'm sure we would have heard about him having written Deny or something.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
21 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
Low Down Low wrote:
21 Jul 2020, 12:01pm
You'd imagine after 40 years with so many interviews and articles and documentaries and books that some evidence would have been uncovered by now if such a claim ever had even the merest semblance of fact. The only guy i ever heard suggest it was Geldof and he always had a beef with the clash.
Also Bernie has had a long history tenuously taking credit for a lot of things. If he had contributed a single word to Joe's lyrics, I'm sure we would have heard about him having written Deny or something.
...and I'm pretty sure his name would have ended up in the credits.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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I wrote all the lyrics to the first album. But credit where credit is due I did borrow Bernie's pen.
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Reminds me of this from Chris’ book.
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Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
21 Jul 2020, 12:38pm
Reminds me of this from Chris’ book.
Ha yes!
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matedog wrote:
21 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
Low Down Low wrote:
21 Jul 2020, 12:01pm
You'd imagine after 40 years with so many interviews and articles and documentaries and books that some evidence would have been uncovered by now if such a claim ever had even the merest semblance of fact. The only guy i ever heard suggest it was Geldof and he always had a beef with the clash.
Also Bernie has had a long history tenuously taking credit for a lot of things. If he had contributed a single word to Joe's lyrics, I'm sure we would have heard about him having written Deny or something.
That too. No problem believing Bernie was influential as regards content, Kevin Rowland acknowledged the same with early Dexys, but the notion that great writers like Strummer and Rowland actually needed Bernie to write them too is risible. I think Bernie was good at coming up with ideas, but not applying them. Like Specials going to France or Clash busking tour.

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